Longhorn

[Barry the Seagull]

has anyone tried longhorn and if so is it any good

[_N_]

>>has anyone tried longhorn

yes, I'm using it on my brother computer, cause I couldn't be stuffed reinstalling other OS onto his.

>>and if so is it any good

yes, it working good,

IMO, I can't see any difference between it and winXp and win2k, :)

But I'm using it cause I got it for free, and it's the windows 2003 server edition one.

[Geek4Life]

Umm Longhorn is the next consumer version of Windows as far as I'm aware.

No one should have it ;)

[_N_]

/edit,
deleted pic of win2k3.

ok, yeah, that is win2003, windows longhorn is in alpha stage and I don't think anyone has it.

[fatsanchez]

i dont think what you have there is longhorn N, the longhorn i'm thinking of is still in beta (or mabye earlier)

its not due for release until 2005

[_N_]

oh, ok,
I thought it was longhorn cause this is still not the final version,
on the bottom right corner of the screen, it says, build 3xxx can't remember the number, but it's a certain number of builds more than I've seen on other people who are running longhorn beta which they got couple of months ago.

and there are other things that make it like longhorn,

by all means, this is not the final version, but it's close to it, cause I haven't had any problems with it.

/edit,
hmm, just done some reading, this is not longhorn, :(
but why did some reg edit's and hack's that are only meant for longhorn work on 2k3?? anyway, by the looks of it, longhorn is not worth using at this moment cause it's only in "alpha" stage.

Also, the future of MS is XML, so basically, if you got spare time, and wanna get ready for the future software, learn and start using XML.

[haytona]

Originally posted by _N_
Also, the future of MS is XML, so basically, if you got spare time, and wanna get ready for the future software, learn and start using XML.
Do you do xml?
Its a minefield. Not to mention the "its only text so how hard can it be?" attitude.

[_N_]

what I meant was, that the future MS Office for example will be filled with XML, from Word to InfoPath, all the appz will be intergrated together thru XML.

No I haven't done any XML, I had a look at it,
What are the main differences from XML to say, HTML when you code?

[varkk]

Originally posted by _N_
Also, the future of MS is XML, so basically, if you got spare time, and wanna get ready for the future software, learn and start using XML.

Well MS's own XML anyway...
There are plenty of rants on the net about how MS XML is not really XML...

[haytona]

Originally posted by _N_
What are the main differences from XML to say, HTML when you code?

XML is a lot stricter in a pure text sense. eg you cannot have <BR > tags you need to have <BR /> or <BR > </BR > instead.

I've had mixed experience coding with xml i started off doing it by hand and appending strings then when i got better using a java api to do it. NOT dom or sax though, found those too complicated and tricky when trying to do simple things. XPath is pretty cool and helps make things manageable.

[KingJackal]

Sif XML

SGML FO LIEF!!

ROFL - no, don't worry, I'm not that stupid.

SGML ( Standard Generalized Markup Language ) is a.... huge.... language. I think only about 2 or 3 organisations world-wide use the full SGML for their data markup - it's stupidly over-complicated for most applications. XML is a subset, a realisation - an smaller implementation of SGML, as is HTML.

Here's a good explanation I found for XML:

From here (http://www.xml-sgml-coach.com/)

The main difference between XML and HTML
XML was designed to carry data.

XML is not a replacement for HTML.
XML and HTML were designed with different goals:

XML was designed to describe data and to focus on what data is.
HTML was designed to display data and to focus on how data looks.


HTML is about displaying information, while XML is about describing information.


XML does not DO anything
XML was not designed to DO anything.

Maybe it is a little hard to understand, but XML does not DO anything. XML is created to structure, store and to send information.

Don't think 'ooo - soon HTML will be replaced with XML, so I should learn it'. That's not quite how it works. Yes, most organisations are likely to transition to organising their data through XML - but unless you'll be working on the database side of things, you probably still won't be using much XML. Maybe XSL - but probably still not.

Asking what IS HTML, and what IS XML really opens a can of worms, because what most of these standards were specified to be, and what they ARE are normally different as well.

For example - HTML is a data markup language, that the authors regretted including display-dependant formatting controls in, hence the move to abstract formatting through CSS. It was made to be structured around the data contained within it, and to be fully platform-specific. But everyone just uses it as a way to layout pictures, and deliver Java-scripting on websites to sell stuff..... ;)

[SledgY]

It is very rare that you will actually have to 'code' XML, it is only a way of structuring data that is very portable and therefore can be parsed by any platform.

Take a look at an application like Trillian that uses XML to store all it's settings or define it layouts, another example; using an XML structure to store track information in a mp3 file (instead of the overcomplex ID3v2, ahem).

If you can understand HTML then you will be able to read and understand XML but it is more a problem of programming an application to parse and create your XML files than of writting them by hand. Although on windows and linux (and most of other platforms) there are already library's that do all that for you.

For what MS is using XML for is more of a nice way to structure imformation than an amazing new feature. They have basically taken the old ini file and given it some more structure.

[Gremlin]

I'm still just curious what photos of Server 2003 (an OS released 3 months ago) and longhorn (due for release in 2005) have in common ?

I'm sure there are alpha's leaked of LH out there though

Paul Thurrott always has good info on upcoming windows versions/features etc

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview_2003.asp

[Geek4Life]

I don't think XML is to replace HTML. That would be XHTML, kind of a combination of the two.

[Gremlin]

Yes XHTML is basically the transitioning language from HTML, as far as I know the HTML standards won't be progressed past 4.x there was plans 3-4 years ago for HTML 5 but I think thats been canned in favour of XHTML.

[Fenix]

Longhorn: Still Alpha AFAIK. (Im not downloading Longhorn 4015. Trust me. I am really not. Truely. Hint hint *wink wink*.) Has a newer more "user friendly" UI than XP. Which is scary because any more user friendly and they'll start removing HIDs (Human Interface Devices... Mice and Keyboards and such) from the supported hardware list. New graphics system that will run best on current mid-range and high-end cards (this is only the OS here. Imagine what M$hite's ~2005 games are gonna need?!?). Also, WinFS - A new file-system ADDON which is NOT yet enabled.

Win Server 2003: Out for ages. Its pretty much just XP minus the home user crap. Some slight mods. Nothing much.



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