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KingJackal

23-08-2003, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by ExtremE
well instead of worrying about places why dont u make it the first 60 (or what ever) to register get to go

That will be the case - but if I can swing room/tables/chairs for another 10 people, all the better... ;)

In the case of this LAN, we're getting the venue very cheaply - which means that we'll actually make money! It sounds pretty low, but at the end of the day, we're unlikely to get another opportunity like this to actually MAKE money, so we really need to make the most of it. Which means getting as many people as possible to make as much money as possible.

If we can pay off a switch or two from the proceeds of this LAN, it'll make future LANs a lot, lot easier to work financially - especially given that under normal circumstances, it'd take us about 5 years to pay off all the switching gear we've had to buy ( let alone cables/servers/otherrandomstuff ) - as the switching gear will probably cost on the order of $3-$4k ( and our LANs average a profit of... maybe $50-$100? ).

BTW Wibber - drawing up a scale diagram of the building in a CAD package may be anal, but I've already found out that 4 rows of 4 tables won't leave enough room for aisles in that big room. Having scale diagrams for everything means I'll be able to know exactly where every table needs to go on the day...

...though having said that, I'm missing a few measurements and may have to pop back in for a while....

Oblivian

23-08-2003, 07:39 PM

I imagine the venue will be used the following week for normal operation?

In that case need to start stressing now - TAKE RUBBISH HOME this time. Or at least stick it in one of the bins other than the floor/tables.

Hows it go 'leave only footprints take only pictures' ;)

Wibber

23-08-2003, 07:42 PM

if you leave footprints i'll spnoge them outa the carpet with yo head

KingJackal

23-08-2003, 07:46 PM

Yeah, I've gotta get rubbish bags/bins and toilet paper etc all calculated and ready - I'll try and make sure there's a bin in every room.

And Wibber wasn't joking... seriously... :eek:

Lord Booga

23-08-2003, 08:04 PM

At long last!

Obviously I'll be one of the 60.
You can't have the LAN without me. It's just not actually possible.

Everybody loves Booga.

Sumo

23-08-2003, 10:29 PM

No Booga, that is "Everybody loves Raymond" Booga's are expendable...... (especially when playing ET and you need to fire the rifle grenade into the fray and there are team mates there...)

Now back to the LAN...... a bit of

Raven Shield is needed!!

dOg

24-08-2003, 09:44 AM

excellant!!! wibber...well done..

yo kj so .....can you explain exactly what youve done with the switching??...
looking at posts it would appear there are a limited amount of gb ports available??..

i have onboard gb lan on both rigs and kat 6 net cable....the switches you were looking at were 24 port 100 + 2 gb ..

astro-g

24-08-2003, 01:20 PM

sombody asked if I was serious about ferry tickets - YES.
Im in wellington at the moment.
And if an L3 isnt worth reorganising my ferry tickets, I dont know what is!

(Im a Chch uni student anyway, but still...)

Sumo

24-08-2003, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by astro-g

And if an L3 isnt worth reorganising my ferry tickets, I dont know what is!

*wipes tear from eye

"Good on ya mate."

TheChosen_1

24-08-2003, 10:33 PM

Oh yes it shall be quite a spectacle.
Now thats what I call committment astro-g, we need more fellas up north like you :D
Will be good to see some old faces that I havn't seen for a while, and yes get more Raven shield in :p

NeM

24-08-2003, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by astro-g
sombody asked if I was serious about ferry tickets - YES.
Im in wellington at the moment.

Haha that sounds like road trip material to me... reminds me of convoying up to A3. Good times.

Hmmm early start for this LAN? Better get there early so I don't miss out on a seat then...

$3bill

25-08-2003, 12:10 AM

seconds away from KFC..mmmmmm....my favoutite
Large extreme burger meal with zinger tower burger...'mouth waters'....:D

KingJackal

25-08-2003, 02:39 AM

3 day's of registrations later, with almost 2 weeks to go until the LAN....

( don't worry, I'm not calling it off :p )

....REGISTRATIONS ARE CLOSED.

We.15.f|_|LL

:eek:

Congrat's to NeM on sliding his registration in before I got home and realised we were full ;). W0000000 - this LAN is gonna rock, I'm nervous already :)

jeef

25-08-2003, 09:54 AM

good thing i registered on impulse when i did! :eek:

will prolly only be there fri nite as ive a 21st to goto on sat night... could come in sunday morning... :D

Oblivian

25-08-2003, 11:46 AM

No Eagle32? NOOOOOOO

Awww man, I thought it had been so long since your fix you would be willing to drive from.. I dunno. Invers to get to this one lil'own Dunners :D

NeM

25-08-2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by KingJackal
Congrat's to NeM on sliding his registration in before I got home and realised we were full ;). W0000000 - this LAN is gonna rock, I'm nervous already :)

Phew! Heh. Though surely in the past people have registered and then not turned up?

TheChosen_1

25-08-2003, 03:53 PM

Dam that filled up fast. MMMM... KFC :D

[NZJ]Daw

25-08-2003, 06:21 PM

if you're able to open up any slots, i would really like to go, there has'nt been a good enough lan to get my atteance since the last L3.

but i understand if nothing can be done, have fun!

Tobiaz[nz]

25-08-2003, 06:35 PM

argh, this is shocking, no more space's. there could have at least been a 1 week warning :(

Tiggerz

25-08-2003, 06:47 PM

I forgot to ask.. What are the official games that are to be played. So I can prep my machine before hand.

1942
DC
BOB ?
UT ?

What about AA.. Wouldn't mind thrashing everyone in that :)

NeM

25-08-2003, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by KingJackal
unless we hired more than one floor or something...
So how bout that? Would that be possible to get more people in?

Oh and some Qs bout the venue... are the tables all set up there already (ie are we using the school's tables?), is it one big room or lots of lil rooms?

Binky Stunt Cat

25-08-2003, 07:46 PM

I would suggest Rise Of Nations as a good game to play (even better than WC3:FT).
However one does need the 1.02 patch to solve annoying netcode problems..

Eagle32

25-08-2003, 07:55 PM

Yes sadly it is so. I was up chch about 4-6weeks back lanning at FCC for a week and there have been 2 LAN's down here since the last L3. I'm reasonably LAN fixed :)

+ the real reason.. i broke my car and i'm too lazy to fix it + i'm too lazy to drive :p

KingJackal

25-08-2003, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Tobiaz[nz]
argh, this is shocking, no more space's. there could have at least been a 1 week warning :(

65 people signed up within about 85 hours of sign-up opening. No, there could NOT have been 1 week of warning - or I would have had far more people than we could have fit all sign up at once. Unfortunately, demand is greater than supply for this venue :(. However, people that have mentioned interest will be invited if I find more spots can be found ( and there's a good chance we'll be able to fit up to about 70 people, so hopefully I'll be able to let a few more in ).

Originally posted by NeM
So how bout that? Would that be possible to get more people in?

I haven't had time to get back into town so far, but you'll find out soon enough.

Oh and some Qs bout the venue... are the tables all set up there already (ie are we using the school's tables?), is it one big room or lots of lil rooms?

We are of course using the school's tables - I have NO desire whatsoever to try and offload trailers full of tables in the center of the city ;). They'll be set up for everyone before opening time.

I need to measure a few more lengths ( door widths etc ), and double-check the number of tables available, then I'll be able to see if I can fit more people in. Though I'll also be testing power-point to fuse correlations, to make sure that the power-point's will all line up nicely with the rows of tables.

Solid Snake

25-08-2003, 09:12 PM

The tournaments are still being decided. Give me another week or so...

TheChosen_1

25-08-2003, 09:37 PM

I'm so looking foward to playing some Raven shield aye. Man I love this game :D

jeef

25-08-2003, 09:51 PM

RS fo sure!

Wibber

25-08-2003, 10:40 PM

I'll play, but i suck wang

Oblivian

25-08-2003, 10:50 PM

Vietcong.... Ghost recon?

WORMS!!!!

DR Grim

25-08-2003, 11:58 PM

Wolf ET must be played :D

other suggestions include:
Rise of Nations
WC3:FT
BF
Doom 3 demo?
worms
and a good driving game

and for old times sake - AOE2, SC and TA.

for wolf ET maybe another clan could join with DR in order to take OCNZ down in there home territory :rolleyes:

k14

26-08-2003, 12:20 AM

Damnit!!! Why cant KFC be ages away!! Now ill have to go there every 3 hours and waste $50 on it :D

Have to play some Moto GP 2. That is one of if not the best racing sim i have played. Havent tested the network play yet, but mite trial it in the next few days.

Definately a must!!

Also i would be keen for some colin mcrae 2. Its an oldie, but a goodie!!

Lord Booga

26-08-2003, 01:57 AM

Might sound weird, but I'm looking to try and get some Giants:Citizen Kabuto multiplayer action going. Looks like a fun game multiplayer (certainly is SP).

Also System Shock 2 Coop.

Also possibly some modded Freelancer.

NinJa_CookiE

26-08-2003, 10:53 AM

well the xdp guys are prodomanantly UT2k3 players so there will be some of that played, and either way if there is a tourney or not for it im sure someone could set up a CTF, TDM or even just DM game maybe against the OCNZ guys, since im sure atleast 4-5 of yas have played it before and pretty good. :)

{.bLanK} GoD

26-08-2003, 11:18 AM

Holy crap that filled up fast..
im glad i signed up wen i did, this will be my first L3 lan, from what ive seen and heard its gonna rock big time

Lynx

26-08-2003, 11:46 AM

hate to be the mean person in all this lanning fun but there will be a bouncer at the venue and the rules will be pay when you walk in the door or you don't get in the door due to numbers we need to confirm money comming in and having non paying customers when we can get in some.

apart from that have fun and see you there with money in those hot little hands of yours.:D

imdying

26-08-2003, 11:58 AM

Excuse me?

Lynx

26-08-2003, 12:00 PM

quick edit we need to make sure people are paying only paying customers who are signed up get in.

Oblivian

26-08-2003, 12:11 PM

And for those without PCs visiting etc?

For sure I can understand if someone is going to be hogging a desk with a PC and keeping a seat warm for more than 8 hrs you can police it like that.

But not everyone is there for a 3 day stretch (many come for a 12 leech then bugger off) and GFs often visit. That mean they need to talk to their guys through reinforced glass and a telephone?.

I'm hoping you just missed a few words in that explination there and mean to say 'Those registered (with PCs) will need to front payment on entry and occasional visitng afiliates made known - non registered persons or afiliates not recognised by attending persons will not be accepted'

Binky Stunt Cat

26-08-2003, 12:15 PM

I'll probably be doing the same thing I did at the last one...
But this time I'll make people fill in forms for tournies, pizzas, etc...because I've got a bad memory and its easier to work like that...

.weasel.

26-08-2003, 01:13 PM

well, thanks to work i cant show up on friday night, but i can for saturday afternoon instead.

We need to play Multiple Theft Auto: Vice City. It rocked at ncgn on sunday morning :)

oh, and no offence intended here DR Grim, but what you are suggesting here is that we play an illegally leaked beta of a game that has no multiplayer support, and also requires a demi-god of a system to play.

Find me a doom3 demo and i'll happily edit this out of my post ;)

as far a a good racing game goes, Midnight Club 2 is awesome. Just ask sydog and chosen_1 :D

just think: CFT in a racing game :D

oOo Dragon oOo

26-08-2003, 01:19 PM

If we use Binky as the bouncer does that mean we get to bounce him around the place? :D

NeM

26-08-2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by .weasel.

We need to play Multiple Theft Auto: Vice City. It rocked at ncgn on sunday morning :)

Hell yeah! That is sweet.. still a few issues but damn fun!

Binky Stunt Cat

26-08-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by oOo Dragon oOo
If we use Binky as the bouncer does that mean we get to bounce him around the place? :D
No.
However it means that I get to tell people like Sumo to kick your ass :p

oOo Dragon oOo

26-08-2003, 01:55 PM

what if hes the one bouncing you tho?

[NZJ]Daw

26-08-2003, 01:56 PM

Jedi Academy?

there is a semi decent beta floating around at the moment, that might be of some fun, me, and undoubtfully, afew others may have it.

Solid Snake

26-08-2003, 03:09 PM

Can the person who won the UT2003 tournament in L3 #14 please pm me.

imdying

26-08-2003, 03:43 PM

I'd be keen for some Midtown Madness cops 'n' robbers. It's easy, has a 'fun' phyiscs model, and can run on anything from a 400cele with onboard up... It's the only 'team' driving game I know of :)

Tobiaz[nz]

26-08-2003, 04:28 PM

well, hope u guys have fun, i'd pay 5-10 more to be able to get in or for you guys to be able to hire out another floor, but with another floor, we dont want the problems that l3 14 had with the 2 floors :S

DR Grim

26-08-2003, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by .weasel.
oh, and no offence intended here DR Grim, but what you are suggesting here is that we play an illegally leaked beta of a game that has no multiplayer support, and also requires a demi-god of a system to play.

yea i heard whisper about it somewere - i wasnt thinking at the time. i must have got the wrong end of the stick.

thx for correcting me:p

KingJackal

26-08-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Tobiaz[nz] well, hope u guys have fun, i'd pay 5-10 more to be able to get in or for you guys to be able to hire out another floor, but with another floor, we dont want the problems that l3 14 had with the 2 floors :S

Yeah - I should be able to finalise the exact number of seats and let people pick what seats they want to reserve by tommorow night. Luckily I hear rumours of more larger venues that may be good options in the future :).

The bad news ATM is that the switches are going to cost a little more than I thought - $650-$750 each depending on brand, rather than the $500-$600 each I had initially calculated :(.

And yeah - the spectator rules have not changed - feel free to come in and have a look/feed the g33ks ( though I hear touching the g33ks is dangerous... must make signs... :p :D ).

Originally posted by DR Grim
yea i heard whisper about it somewere - i wasnt thinking at the time. i must have got the wrong end of the stick.

thx for correcting me:p

Yeah - you would have heard about it because apparently they were playing it @ QuakeCON. It now appears though that that was on the tourney rigs, not in the BYOC :( ;).

Sumo

26-08-2003, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by oOo Dragon oOo
what if hes the one bouncing you tho?

Binky doesn't bounce too well, and neither does Sumo after a Binky attack..... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!! :D

You can see the aftermath of a Binky attack here. (http://poetry.rotten.com/uday/10-odai-post-mortem.jpg)

and here. (http://poetry.rotten.com/uday/.thumb/t.11-qusay-post-mortem.jpg)

and you thought that was the US Army!!

astro-g

26-08-2003, 08:31 PM

hmmn,
Judging from the toms hardware report, the MP test was only on the machines supplied by ID software, and carefully supervised.

it was supposed to be good though

oOo Dragon oOo

26-08-2003, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Sumo
Binky doesn't bounce too well, and neither does Sumo after a Binky attack..... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!! :D

:D Point taken sir!! Do not bounce the binky or the sumo... hmmm who is there to bounce then?

Wibber

26-08-2003, 10:06 PM

you can bounce on sumo

oOo Dragon oOo

26-08-2003, 10:15 PM

Is that even legal?

TheChosen_1

26-08-2003, 11:16 PM

Yea Midnight Club 2 is awesome. We got to play some of that too.
and some Wolf ET and RS of course :D

Smudge

26-08-2003, 11:24 PM

*grumblemoanpout*
didnt wanna go anyway
*sulks in corner*

Sumo

27-08-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Wibber
you can bounce on sumo

ohhh wibbly

[NZJ]Daw

27-08-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by KingJackal
Yeah - I should be able to finalise the exact number of seats and let people pick what seats they want to reserve by tommorow night. Luckily I hear rumours of more larger venues that may be good options in the future :).

The bad news ATM is that the switches are going to cost a little more than I thought - $650-$750 each depending on brand, rather than the $500-$600 each I had initially calculated :(.

And yeah - the spectator rules have not changed - feel free to come in and have a look/feed the g33ks ( though I hear touching the g33ks is dangerous... must make signs... :p :D ).

Yeah - you would have heard about it because apparently they were playing it @ QuakeCON. It now appears though that that was on the tourney rigs, not in the BYOC :( ;). i can get a 24port Cnet Switch i'll get the brand later, but i can bring it, if you need extra switches, its not a give away though, i like it, and it is VERY noisey.

KingJackal

27-08-2003, 09:11 PM

We're going to hire the 4th floor as well ( 3rd if you're English and don't count the ground ), meaning we will be re-opening sign-ups, and will have enough room for about 100 people ( rather than the 65ish before ).

However, space on the main floor will still be at a premium - as the switches with gigabit uplinks will be here, meaning fast connections. Network connections to upstairs will be slower, with 10ish people each sharing 100Mb uplinks to the backbone.

Unfortunately, we just can't afford to buy enough gigabit switches to give everyone a fast connection - as that would mean spending another $3000 ( on top of the $1200 we've already spent ). While that likely will happen down the road, it won't be happening anytime soon.

...however, we will probably make the upstairs places cheaper as well ;). So hopefully that'll work out to be fair.

In the meantime, any quick feedback on whether the lower-right room in this diagram is too cramped or not ( and how to solve that - even if it does mean losing a seat or two ) would be apprecianted.

Also, if your clan wants a place ( like LW, NCGN, OCNZ, etc ) where you can all sit together - pass it on to me once I post the final layout for the floor.

[edit] Cheers Daw - might use that in the cheap-seats area ( I presume it doesn't have gigabit links? )

CommanderK

27-08-2003, 09:27 PM

How many people will be there between 4-6pm Friday, because I may need help to quick load my stuff into the building, 30kg case, 17kg montior, 20kgs of cds and 2 or 3 other small things (less than 1kg)

KingJackal

27-08-2003, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by CommanderK
How many people will be there between 4-6pm Friday, because I may need help to quick load my stuff into the building, 30kg case, 17kg montior, 20kgs of cds and 2 or 3 other small things (less than 1kg)

Very few - and we'll be busy :(. Though we may be able to help 1 or 2 people up. Unless you're offering to come early and move tables... :D

Also, I've decided that I'm going to set the start time to 6pm so that most of the people arriving will miss the worst of rush hour. ( given where we are, the traffic outside will get pretty bad around peak time )

jeef

27-08-2003, 09:40 PM

sounds like ill take everything i need to work with me and come then leave work early :D

looking very tidy and well planned there KJ :D

o, and can ya put me down to sit with ocnz?? :D

[NZJ]Daw

28-08-2003, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by KingJackal
We're going to hire the 4th floor as well ( 3rd if you're English and don't count the ground )

[edit] Cheers Daw - might use that in the cheap-seats area ( I presume it doesn't have gigabit links? ) No it has a module for it, but alass, poor students cant aford that kind of thing...
i've signed up, i assume, since you'll wanna put the switch somewhere, i'll bring it in abit sooner for you guys.

its the 4th floor ground floor is the first floor to me

DR Grim

28-08-2003, 12:09 AM

would this be all right KJ?

MrThc

28-08-2003, 01:02 AM

I'll be happy sitting anywhere, as long as I'm there. but I'd definately appreciate a 1gb port :D

BTW, what length Cat6 cable would be required? 20m cover it ok?

[NZJ]Daw

28-08-2003, 01:13 AM

Um, i take it, its gonna be done, $20 per port/ip what price would you do me, for runnin my laptop as a dedicated server for afew games, its a 1800+ amd can run dedicated for some fps games if we need it

KingJackal

28-08-2003, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by [NZJ]Daw
its the 4th floor ground floor is the first floor to me

Hehe - yeah. It's an historical annomaly. English number their floors starting from 1 which is ABOVE ground floor - because originally the ground floor didn't have a floor - it had... ground! While america being colonised much later meant most building's didn't have a 'ground' as such, so numbering stats from 1 at the ground floor.... but anyways.... :D

Originally posted by DR Grim
would this be all right KJ?

Yep, should be - nobody else has been longing for that room. Wibber and his crew have dibs over the L-shaped room at top right. [OCNZ] will most likely inhabit the biggest room to the left (and also a couple other area's ).

Dunno about [LW]/[NCGN]/xdp- yet - if you guys have a preference, tell me! :)

Originally posted by MrThc
I'll be happy sitting anywhere, as long as I'm there. but I'd definately appreciate a 1gb port :D

BTW, what length Cat6 cable would be required? 20m cover it ok?

I'm not quite sure - as I'm not sure where exactly I'll put the backbone switch. But yeah, 20m would cover it.

Originally posted by [NZJ]Daw
Um, i take it, its gonna be done, $20 per port/ip what price would you do me, for runnin my laptop as a dedicated server for afew games, its a 1800+ amd can run dedicated for some fps games if we need it

Servers that people bring are a service not a cost - we don't charge for them. But you'll probably find that'll it'll need to sit in the server area so that it can get power, network - and space! :) Also, we'll need to ensure it's using the right IP/mask/etc, etc.

[NZJ]Daw

28-08-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by KingJackal
Servers that people bring are a service not a cost - we don't charge for them. But you'll probably find that'll it'll need to sit in the server area so that it can get power, network - and space! :) Also, we'll need to ensure it's using the right IP/mask/etc, etc. thats fine, i would like to try to be more help in up and coming events as it is anyway :)

astro-g

28-08-2003, 09:46 AM

Im happy so long as Im near wherever distorted is.
Also I think there will need to be a spare seat nearby for NiSmO,
if I can get him to sign up now that registrations are reopened.
Main floor if posible, actually - I suspect there will be a loose universty psuedo clan.

imdying

28-08-2003, 10:57 AM

I'm happy anywhere, but if there is a gig port going.... just let me know so I can budget for a cat6 cable.

Next problem... what time is good for dropping off gear? I can be available between 4 and 6 to help move peoples gear from the road to the foyer/upstairs. What time does everybody plan to start dropping there stuff off? If the majority of peeps are coming at a certain time, I can be flexible about spending a few hours helping out.

Wibber

28-08-2003, 10:59 AM

MaZeR

28-08-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by MaZeR
*Will mow lawns and wash cars for Gigabit port*

:D

seriously!

I stand by my words, additionally

http://mazer.sytes.net/mazer/files/maz_begs.jpg

Oblivian

28-08-2003, 02:02 PM

Mazer.. Jungle and Wrath Coming too :D

Binky Stunt Cat

28-08-2003, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by astro-g
Im happy so long as Im near wherever distorted is.
Also I think there will need to be a spare seat nearby for NiSmO,
if I can get him to sign up now that registrations are reopened.
Main floor if posible, actually - I suspect there will be a loose universty psuedo clan.
We could stick you guys next to the LW group...on the 3rd floor please Mr KJ Man :p

Sydog

28-08-2003, 04:33 PM

Sam, can we take the 5 seats on the bottom left corner of the big room on the 3rd floor, as per your diagram.
were all ocnz but would like to take those.

Cheers

Sumo

28-08-2003, 04:36 PM

I'll sit anywhere that is convient for "work".

By the next L3 i'll hopefully be packing GIGA. Or will that be TERA by the time the next L3 comes around(shameless dig at KJ for making me wait sooooooo long for an L3). (P.S. please don't ban me!)

Oblivian

28-08-2003, 05:10 PM

Realistily tho.., if they are 24+2 switched theres probably only going to be 3-4 gb ports max? Since most will be daisy chained in loop using the gb uplinks?

I thought its only real usefull if you whoring off 3-6 100MB links on the same switch or with huge bandwidth backbone?

2 much thinking

28-08-2003, 05:28 PM

From the L3 website:

We've got a 20-port gigbit switch with 20Gb/s of backplane which will keep everything running

:D

Maybe Ill get that Gig NIC sooner than planned!

Im not sure how many NCGN'rs are going to register so don't worry about saving us an area. Althought I wouldn't mind a seat close to the big mama switch :p

psyrg

28-08-2003, 05:34 PM

MORE ROOM FOUND! REGISTRATIONS OPEN AGAIN!!!

Looks like I might actually get to go after all! Yay! :)

Tobiaz[nz]

28-08-2003, 05:43 PM

so we need network cables for this one? l3 14, did not need em, is that coes of c-lan???. if not, could i maybe borrow a cable off someone, or do i have to go out and buy 1?

Wibber

28-08-2003, 05:45 PM

if you can get one bring it, it never hurts to have a backup (hell i bring a whole box of cable just in case :p )

KingJackal

28-08-2003, 05:48 PM

I'm trying to get my hands on what's left of the C-LAN cabling - I'll probably crimp up a storm and come along with 30 or 40 network cables.

But if you have a network cable (especially if it's 10m or longer), BRING IT! :).

Sorry I haven't said - but I'm still not 100% sure on how much cable I can get from the C-LAN guys ;).

TheChosen_1

28-08-2003, 07:06 PM

Well I've just gone out and bought myself a 120gb Western digital 7200rpm 8mb cache hdd. So bring on the leeching :D

Tobiaz[nz]

28-08-2003, 07:19 PM

nice, im doing a cleanout of my 80gb now :)

dOg

28-08-2003, 07:24 PM

well my 6kat is only ten metres...hhmmm..

siti

28-08-2003, 08:32 PM

Ouch those new registrations filled quickly!!!!

A tournament of ET (clan wars!!!) will be awesome. It rocked at NCGN and should be even better if we get about 32 players in a game!!!

Also raven shield was great a NCGN, co-op was cool but it would be cool to play adversial!

We should also have UT (Orginal) CTF Face!!!

CommanderK

28-08-2003, 08:43 PM

If I dont have to pick up the G/F I can be about 4:15pm or If i do have pick her up It will be about 5:15pm. And Ill be happy to give a hand lifting gear. :)

imdying

28-08-2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by TheChosen_1
Well I've just gone out and bought myself a 120gb Western digital 7200rpm 8mb cache hdd. So bring on the leeching :D OMG! My brother just turned up with 2 of these lovely puppies for our server!!! :D :) :p And heres me thinking I was going to have any spare space for L3 :) :) :) Not sure where the bum got $500 for HDDs though...

oOo Dragon oOo

28-08-2003, 10:40 PM

Ill be there about 5ish-6ish I suppose, set up, go out for dinner (stupid wifes work do) then come back, then go home for sleep and 12 hr work day, the go back to lan for mass gaming, then go out again for fathers day lunch I suppose.. phew.. that'll be busy

Antimatter

29-08-2003, 01:22 AM

Nice layout.
Should I bring a sign that says "tech support" and another that says "busy"? :D

Sumo

29-08-2003, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Antimatter
Nice layout.
Should I bring a sign that says "tech support" and another that says "busy"? :D

I think they should be....

TECH SUPPORT = RFTM

BUSY = FUDGE OFF GAMING

astro-g

29-08-2003, 10:27 AM

originaly posted by Binky stunt cat
Originally posted by astro-g:
Im happy so long as Im near wherever distorted is. Also I think there will need to be a spare seat nearby for NiSmO, if I can get him to sign up now that registrations are reopened. Main floor if posible, actually - I suspect there will be a loose universty psuedo clan.
We could stick you guys next to the LW group...on the 3rd floor please Mr KJ Man

where is LW sitting - I cant find ary reference to it, also could n1ph3 / ben
sit with us too? now that he, and NiSmO are registered.

Distorted - what do you think of all this?

(hmmn, thank the creator for preview - silly nested quotes)

KingJackal

29-08-2003, 11:35 AM

Could somebody please tell me how many [LW] there are? :confused: :confused:

There are only 3 registered as LW, but I know that Oblivion is LW - and possibly DistorteD. But now Astro-g? NiSmO? n1ph3?

Are there 3 of you? 6 of you? 10 of you?

I have NFI - and i can't reserve jack if I don't know how many people to reserve for :p ;).

[NZJ]Daw

29-08-2003, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by TheChosen_1
Well I've just gone out and bought myself a 120gb Western digital 7200rpm 8mb cache hdd. So bring on the leeching :D hehe gonna grab one mid next week for the same reason (well was gettin it anyway

hey Kj, mind saving one spot for myself near ish the servers, so i can be close to muh lappy, i dont really mind who i'm sittin next to. :)

Quinny

29-08-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by KingJackal
Could somebody please tell me how many [LW] there are? :confused: :confused:

There are only 3 registered as LW, but I know that Oblivion is LW - and possibly DistorteD. But now Astro-g? NiSmO? n1ph3?

Are there 3 of you? 6 of you? 10 of you?

:rolleyes: Sooorrry ....List was

Binky (now maybe)
Quinny
Finn
GOD
Oblivian
Dragon

People mentioned/likely but dont know about are
Distorted (via Binky so not sure)?
Darkwing (think is)?

I too had seen posts from others apart from above but above are ones I KNOW are LW usually. Hope it helps.

Was to understand others had sent to u. Had asked about area to the right of storeroom.

The job gets done when the girls arrive and do it :D

astro-g

29-08-2003, 02:22 PM

I said I wanted to sit with my friends,
(basically I wanted to be near distorted) and that my friends simon (NiSmO), and later ben (n1ph3) also sit near me, and also suggested that all the canterbury uni people form what I described as a loose psuedo clan. (page 7) To which binky replied (page 8) that we should sit with with LW, I have no idea who LW are. but im sure well all find out next weekend.
I doubt NiSmO or N1ph3 do either, but I have no idea about Distorted.

I dont recognise most of the handles in the LW list that quinny posted

KingJackal

29-08-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by astro-g
I said I wanted to sit with my friends,
(basically I wanted to be near distorted) and that my friends simon (NiSmO), and later ben (n1ph3) also sit near me, and also suggested that all the canterbury uni people form what I described as a loose psuedo clan. (page 7) To which binky replied (page 8) that we should sit with with LW, I have no idea who LW are. but im sure well all find out next weekend.
I doubt NiSmO or N1ph3 do either, but I have no idea about Distorted.

I dont recognise most of the handles in the LW list that quinny posted

Well, not ALL the Canterbury Uni people - as that would include me for one ;).

But yeah, we'll put you in the room to the right of the storeroom, as that will seat 10 ( maybe 11 ), and it looks like there are 9 or 10 of you guys ;).

Tobiaz[nz]

29-08-2003, 07:58 PM

any update on the lan cables??

O'Neill

29-08-2003, 09:45 PM

I wanna sit with the OCNZ crew if it is possible please mr KJ

oOo Dragon oOo

29-08-2003, 10:07 PM

Can you put O'Neill withing throwing distance from me?!? :D
heheh

k14

29-08-2003, 11:42 PM

Yeah, save 2 seats by the OCNZ clan for me and my mate $3bill.

Probably wont be able to make an appearance till early saturday, but will try to get there on friday nite.

Cheers KJ

Siberian*^*Wolf

30-08-2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Tobiaz[nz]
any update on the lan cables??

WTF lan cables what do u mean by lan cables Cat 5e or power or what?

Go to dicksmith and get ya own cables they will charge thru the roof like usual ****en BS.

what is it like $30 for like 10m or sumthing we sell them for like $5 give or take depend on the mood im in :P

Tobiaz[nz]

30-08-2003, 10:49 AM

oi man, if you read up, KJ was trying to get what was left over from c-lan

[NZJ]Daw

30-08-2003, 11:25 AM

if you want custom size cables, just get a roll, its about 6 cables before i get bored of making ends

but i dont do wall panels lord i hate them

KingJackal

30-08-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Siberian*^*Wolf
WTF lan cables what do u mean by lan cables Cat 5e or power or what?

Go to dicksmith and get ya own cables they will charge thru the roof like usual ****en BS.

what is it like $30 for like 10m or sumthing we sell them for like $5 give or take depend on the mood im in :P

Dude, chill - have a break. You is wound up - should I call shag? :D

I can get 20m cables for $15 or thereabouts - and 10m's for < $10 etc. But guys - don't worry. I'll say what's happening when I know what's happening ( and that's not yet :| ).

CommanderK

30-08-2003, 02:04 PM

Man parking is be so diffucult (sp?). I drove around today about noon and I found only 2 parks in 20 mins. And they were about 5 min from the venue so I hope the loading zone wont be too full, because carrying my case (everything 20kg or less so I can easliy carry them) 200 metres is going to be a real mission and quite embrassing (espesally [sp?] if it's in it's box, which is much wider and higher than my torso :( ).

Sumo

30-08-2003, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by CommanderK
if it's in it's box, which is much wider and higher than my torso :( ).

hee hee not much more.......:D

CommanderK

31-08-2003, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Sumo
hee hee not much more.......:D

Now it's not, cause ive moved it into the first case I had (sumo u might remember it form L3#4) and it is maybe half the height and a little smaller on all other dimemsions but the psu didn't fit, so I mounted it on top with alot of cable ties. Also it has no cover plates or anything (so the most basic bare frame micro ATX) and also only about 1 kg empty, more than 5 less than 10kg full ( whearse the "Xaser III" is about 20 empty, and 30kg full, so much easier and to move *cheers*). And it is a novety being so small.

DR Grim

31-08-2003, 02:37 AM

any clans out there that are coming to L3 wana join up with the DRs to take the OCNZ guys on in a game of Wolf ET?

Sumo

31-08-2003, 12:11 PM

Maybe you can discuss with KJ or SS about the tournaments, however having not heard anything from SS i'd say he is still "working" on them!!

10 on 10 ET would be fun, then there could to 2 or 3 OCNZ teams....

Tobiaz[nz]

31-08-2003, 01:25 PM

5 days, cant wait :)

Solid Snake

31-08-2003, 02:08 PM

The tournaments have been finalized but I am just working on some stuff like the intranet etc etc. It does seem I am always working on it, but I am trying to nail down why people don't use this resource and I think it's my fault.

Tournaments are going to be ET & UT2K3: Invasion ... and it has been confirmed.

KJ is handling the inner workings of ET and myself UT2K3 but the execution will be done by me as KJ will be rather busy. More news as the dates get closer. Registrations for the tournaments are done onsite.

O'Neill

31-08-2003, 03:07 PM

Follow our example at NCGN and make pretty much everything available on the intranet and tell everyone if ya want it its on there

Solid Snake

31-08-2003, 06:51 PM

This only applies to people who own a computer hardware/software shop, or intend to sell items during the lan.

The only people we are allowing to sell goods passively is John Styles from StylesPC and of course the L3 staff members. There is no exceptions to this rule. Even people who are affliated with StylesPC may NOT do any sales or passive sales.

However if sales have been done beforehand then do this discreetly. For example, if RandomGuy wanted to sell me his radiator for $50 and I said that I would make the deal at the lan. This is fine, since I would be rather discreet about it. However, if RandomGuy walked around asking everybody if they wanted a radiator for $50 then this would be breaking this LAW. RandomGuy could also be a hardware shop dealer...

Another example to this is if someone asks you if s/he can buy something from you. This is quite alright as you didn't ask the person if they wanted to buy it from you.

This is a LAW now, there is no exceptions, no loopholes and I will not go very easy on the person who openly breaks this rule. There will not be signs up about this, but the majority of hardware dealers belong here in OCNZ.

I hope I have made this very clear, I will actively pursue anyone who breaks this law. If you have any questions about this, do not hesitate to PM me about it.

This law shouldn't affect many people and it is a common sense thing. Using your best judgement is probably the best thing to do. Anyone who just walks around asking if they want to buy this or that is just plain ... ... ... annoying.

NeM

31-08-2003, 07:11 PM

Excuse my ignorance, but... Breaking what law??

I'm not a PC hardware/shop owner - say I upgraded my graphics card and wanted to sell my old one. Would I be allowed to ask a couple of people if they'd be interested in buying it? Or is this "breaking the law"?

Lord Booga

31-08-2003, 07:24 PM

Er, so this means I can't ask RandomGuy1 sitting next to me if I can buy say, 10 CD-R's off him?

Thats really weird.

Care to explain the logic/reasoning behind this rule?

Solid Snake

31-08-2003, 07:32 PM

Excuse my ignorance, but... Breaking what law??Rules tend to have loopholds and what so forth. Laws don't really have loopholes, or at leats try not to.

I'm not a PC hardware/shop owner - say I upgraded my graphics card and wanted to sell my old one. Would I be allowed to ask a couple of people if they'd be interested in buying it? Or is this "breaking the law"?That depends on the people, if they asked you first then that would be passive selling isn't it. You aren't actively pursuing a sell, since people would come to you first in the 'interest' to buy it from you.

Er, so this means I can't ask RandomGuy1 sitting next to me if I can buy say, 10 CD-R's off him?Your buying the goods not selling the goods, so it doesn't apply to you. Again he is passively selling stuff.

I'll amend some sections of the rule.

Care to explain the logic/reasoning behind this rule?I heard rumours that last lan people onthe bottom floor were particularly annoyed at people coming up to them and asking them if they would like a better video card, or a better CPU. Etc etc.

I hate to do this, but after I heard this rumour, whether true or not, I have to make that it doesn't happen.

Eagle32

31-08-2003, 07:32 PM

NeM.. He mean's L3's Law, the Law of the LAN.

Strange though it may seem (to me anyway though it doesn't bother me) it is up to the organisers to make the rules and everyone else to put up with them ;)

varkk

31-08-2003, 07:40 PM

What you should do is ask the sellers for sponsorship and only allow dealers who sponsor L3 to sell stuff at the events...

Also any more info on the network cabling? I only have a short cable which I can bring, but if I need to I could bring along my crimping tool (I should make a sign: "Will crimp for cable" :D )

Solid Snake

31-08-2003, 07:41 PM

What you should do is ask the sellers for sponsorship and only allow dealers who sponsor L3 to sell stuff at the events...Which is StylesPC ... only. We clarified things up during a chat at L3 #14.

To tell you and everyone the honest truth, this law wouldn't affect many people. Why I putting this law in, is to stop anyone from walking around L3 (including those who aren't attendees) and asking people if they want to buy something or making the general atmosphere tense.

It's like those warning on the McDonalds Hot Chocolate, "Warning: Contents may be hot". They do it to protect themselves, that's all.

NeM

31-08-2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Solid Snake

That depends on the people, if they asked you first then that would be passive selling isn't it. You aren't actively pursuing a sell, since people would come to you first in the 'interest' to buy it from you.

But how can people come to you first if they don't know you have it for sale???

What about just announcing in DC chat that you have something for sale and that if ppl are interested then they should PM you... is that allowed?

KingJackal

31-08-2003, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by NeM
But how can people come to you first if they don't know you have it for sale???

What about just announcing in DC chat that you have something for sale and that if ppl are interested then they should PM you... is that allowed?

The rule is there to stop competitive raging between all the retailers present ;).

...although I like the idea of:

"$5 XP2500's? You think you're 1337?!!! OMG WALLHAX - THAT'S IT, FREE XP2700's - only from me, 1337-mofo PC's ya'll!!!!"

*snaps out of his dream*

Hehe, but I don't think it'd go like that ;).

Just to confirm to everyone, you will need to bring:

Case (with hardware inside!)
Monitor
Keyboard
Mouse
Headphones
Power cables (jug cords)
4-way power splitter or similar if you need multiple plugs
Game CDs (and Windows/drivers CD(s) - cos accidents happen)
Network cable (preferably 10m+ - if you think they're expensive, gimme a yell)

Note that now we can't use C-LAN, the list is longer ;).

Tobiaz[nz]

31-08-2003, 09:23 PM

so how much for the 'good' seats and how much for the 'normal' seats?

Wibber

31-08-2003, 10:13 PM

I have cable, 45c a meter, im outa plugs so i'll get some more, bribe vark with cable to crimp it

CommanderK

31-08-2003, 10:21 PM

KJ, I forgot I finish work at 3 instead of 4 on friday so is it ok to turn up at 3:15 to 3:30. I will help to setup if needed.

TheChosen_1

31-08-2003, 10:47 PM

Yeah I'm going to have to buy some new cable anyway 5 metres is no longer enough LOL. :D So yeah proberley buy some off you KJ or whoever might be having some there to buy :)

Solid Snake

31-08-2003, 10:53 PM

The rule is there to stop competitive raging between all the retailers present .

KJ hit the nail on the head. That was all I was trying to say really. Mmm, guess my overuse in english defied me again. I think the tone I used wasn't particularly good. You win this time English. Anyways, what KJ said is what I was trying to get at... and just like in BSE here it can get annoying if it were to happen left, right and center during the lan. None the less, this is my last comment about this whole thing [Sorry to those who I upset] and if anyone has any real concerns over this do PM me about this.

so how much for the 'good' seats and how much for the 'normal' seats?
From the website: good = $20 and normal is still TBA, but ~$15

MaZeR

01-09-2003, 08:50 AM

Hey I have about a 30m CAT5e cable, is that good enough for a gigabit connection (should I be lucky enough to get one), or do I have to get a CAT6 for the really fast speeds?

Tiggerz

01-09-2003, 08:57 AM

As a reseller I wouldnt dream of trying to sell stuff at the lan. Its not the done thing to do, and would be considered quite rude.

However, if someone was to ask me about stuff, my normal practice is to ask them to flick me an email so I can deal with it later.

The done thing, as Varkk said is to allow only sponsers or paying advertisers to sell things. Normally, at trade shows and conventions (and Lans) an area is set up (desk space) where they can put up a bit of advertising and show some product.

That way, people get to see who the sponsers are, brand name gets presented and people who want something can go and ask without the sellers having to pester people.

Gh0s7 L3mUr

01-09-2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Tiggerz
As a reseller I wouldnt dream of trying to sell stuff at the lan. Its not the done thing to do, and would be considered quite rude.

However, if someone was to ask me about stuff, my normal practice is to ask them to flick me an email so I can deal with it later.

The done thing, as Varkk said is to allow only sponsers or paying advertisers to sell things. Normally, at trade shows and conventions (and Lans) an area is set up (desk space) where they can put up a bit of advertising and show some product.

That way, people get to see who the sponsers are, brand name gets presented and people who want something can go and ask without the sellers having to pester people.

That has been the way with L3 for as long as I've been going. Maybe I missed something when I was asleep at my comp (refer to mirds photo of me :D).

Solid Snake

01-09-2003, 11:43 AM

Hey I have about a 30m CAT5e cable, is that good enough for a gigabit connection (should I be lucky enough to get one), or do I have to get a CAT6 for the really fast speeds?Mmmm, at the moment what I am thinking is that people shouldn't think about gigabit connections. We have gigabit networking equipment for our backbone so that the network will never become overloaded. Besides even if you connected the gigabit connection you won't see any benefit on your side since the people you connect to will only be able to 'push' out so much to you.

The ability to game and leech is dependent on your network card I believe as I usually don't have that many problems when I file share and play games at the same time.

You might get lucky to get a gigabit port to connect to, but don't bet on it. Also ... you have a onboard gigabit card or do you have a 64-bit PCI motherboard (mmmm, and can I see it? ... I love those bigger sleeker PCI slots ;) )

Sumo

01-09-2003, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by CommanderK
KJ, I forgot I finish work at 3 instead of 4 on friday so is it ok to turn up at 3:15 to 3:30. I will help to setup if needed.

From my understanding NO! The venue is not available until after 4pm (read it earlier in one of the 10 pages i think???) anyone care to correct me?

Distorted

01-09-2003, 12:25 PM

Okay, time for me to put my two cents in...
...at last

damn
don't know what to say

damn you Elle T for not being here, I was so guna whip yo ass at worms, well i'll just have to settle for KJ

D-Reepa, hehe im going to a 21st too, and so are a couple of others i know, I wonder if it's the same one? mmm drunken gaming
nah, ill be good

I should be around to help people move their rigs in, ill bring mine in later I feel.

all the Leech Whores out there, put yo hands up

Astro-g - if there's room for you and niSmo and n1ph3 then there's room, but LW stands for LeechWhore, as in the insane people who hoarde large amounts of er... um, "text files", in the 100's of gb, so that one is up to KJ if there's room

I really should get a smaller monitor, i don't like the idea of hauling this 30kg monitor about, plus the 35kg server, and then my case, my poor back :(

Failing a major catastrophe, like me still unsure of how im going to get back to chch before friday, I will see you all there

must continue the Media Whore Training.
Binky, when will I graduate?

Wibber

01-09-2003, 12:29 PM

if he shows up at three expect to haul at least 20 tables

Distorted

01-09-2003, 12:36 PM

Wibber/KJ: I'll help to haul tables

MaZeR

01-09-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Solid Snake
Also ... you have a onboard gigabit card or do you have a 64-bit PCI motherboard (mmmm, and can I see it? ... I love those bigger sleeker PCI slots ;) )

Onboard, sorry ;-)

Solid Snake

01-09-2003, 01:29 PM

Awww .... I don't get to see a nekkid insides of a computer. Woe is me.

Does anyone have a Video capture Card I could borrow at the lan? Most TV cards can capture video...

Tobiaz[nz]

01-09-2003, 04:25 PM

tis it ok if i turn up at around 5:45 ??

Tiggerz

01-09-2003, 04:33 PM

Ethernet will normally run at the lowest speed of the channel its running over. However, the connection indicated will usually be the maximum rated speed of the channel. So just because windows pops up and says 100mbits, don't mean to say thats what your getting.

So, while user 'A' with a 10mbs card is tranmitting data, to user 'B', all the other users will run at 10mbs. Think of having a F1 racing car and trying to drive it down a motorway at rush hour only to get stuck behind a little doddery old lady in a skoda in front doing 10 miles an hour.

backbones or uplink ports usually run on a different channel.

Oblivian

01-09-2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Solid Snake
Does anyone have a Video capture Card I could borrow at the lan? Most TV cards can capture video...

I got one, but dont really want to rip it out. I intend *when I remember* to cap some fraps of funny stuff. Will see on the day, I might be persuaded if no other offers show.

ExtremE

01-09-2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Solid Snake
Awww .... I don't get to see a nekkid insides of a computer. Woe is me.

Does anyone have a Video capture Card I could borrow at the lan? Most TV cards can capture video...

I got one thats not in my system you can use as long as i get it back in the ordaer i gave it out :P

PM me if you want me to bring it

dOg

01-09-2003, 05:54 PM

why T F would anyone want to put in a gb nic and sacrifice all that room...when decent boards all have onboard 100/1000 lan running on decent intel chipsets...most of which are on the csa bus??...

maybe its just my sick and twisted world perspective??:D

[NZJ]Daw

01-09-2003, 06:13 PM

I have heard from sources, that cat5e will NOT work for Gigabit, it will have fallouts, because of the cable connection at the end, and making a gigabit connector, is very difficult.

this is coming from my Tutor at avonmore, who has heard through people from Dove, i believe him, he has certifacates to backup his claims of working for Hp, and other places

i would'nt expect the highest tranfer rate, plus wait a while before you rush into Gigabit, motherboard companys arent even doing it right.

Oblivian

01-09-2003, 06:26 PM

Of course its not labelled as doing so but generally 5 is OK for <5m. 5e 5-10 (poss <20) and 6/6e all good. Slightly different shielding and pairs wrapped differently in the core.

TheChosen_1

01-09-2003, 06:29 PM

Me and sydog will be there when the place opens. We will be offloading and then we will help setup tables and bring a few rigs in for people.

Distorted

01-09-2003, 06:29 PM

My spoon is too big...

Tobiaz[nz]

01-09-2003, 07:07 PM

Invest in a smaller Spoon.

I'll help bring in rigs etc to help clear up the loading bays so theres not a pile up. ill be there around 6 if anyone needs to. i would probley say, unload the rig, get itside, then go park your car if you have one, then walk back?

KingJackal

01-09-2003, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by [NZJ]Daw
I have heard from sources, that cat5e will NOT work for Gigabit, it will have fallouts, because of the cable connection at the end, and making a gigabit connector, is very difficult.

this is coming from my Tutor at avonmore, who has heard through people from Dove, i believe him, he has certifacates to backup his claims of working for Hp, and other places

Well, he's kinda right. CAT5E will work fine for gigabit - maybe not @ gigabit speed, but as nobody with a 'gigabit' NIC on their mobo or in their PC is physically able to run @ gigabit, it doesn't matter.

Even CAT5 works fine. In fact, if you've got a lossy link, gigabit will often work better than 100Mb - because it has built in error correction for line noise etc that the 100Mb spec just doesn't do ;).

I think what your tutor was alluding to more was the quality of the connectors at the ends of the cable is the bottleneck. CAT5-E cable can do gigabit past 100M ( I've heard past 300 if you do it right ), but if it's just hand-crimped connectors on the ends, then the noise caused by those will mean it just won't work very well. The actual cable media ( 5/5-E/6 ) isn't the problem, it's the connectors. As a result, you'll want to buy factory-made cables for gigabit links.

Oh, and I have a TV-tuner card with video input.... ;)

Sumo

01-09-2003, 07:53 PM

So we doing LAN movies then...... "KJ does L3"

imdying

01-09-2003, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Tobiaz[nz]
I'll help bring in rigs etc to help clear up the loading bays so theres not a pile up. ill be there around 6 if anyone needs to. i would probley say, unload the rig, get itside, then go park your car if you have one, then walk back? A lot of us have offered their help taking gear upstairs. It just occurred to me:

If somebody else is helping you bring your gear in, make sure you know who they are!

It would be all to easy for somebody to rip you off.

Tobiaz[nz]

01-09-2003, 07:57 PM

talking about movies, maybe in the future L3's, if there is a big enough clean wall, maybe rent/borrow a projecter and play dvds on it the whole time and also maybe rent/borrow a xbox or ps2 and play games on them, not just limmit it to pcs and a few xbox's

* ill bring a deck chair and a martini and sit at the front door watching everyone in panic seeing as i know so few of you.

Solid Snake

01-09-2003, 08:27 PM

maybe rent/borrow a projecter I might be able to get one ... see how it goes I guess. It's going to be hard since they will probably expect it to stay in Dunedin...

and play dvds on it the whole time and also maybe rent/borrow a xbox or ps2 and play games on them, not just limmit it to pcs and a few xbox'sProbably not DVD movies as that would be rather illegal. Playing games on it would be a different matter though as that would be alright.

Tobiaz[nz]

01-09-2003, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Solid Snake
Probably not DVD movies as that would be rather illegal. Playing games on it would be a different matter though as that would be alright.

why would playing dvd's be illegal? i would not think playing dvds at home would be much difference that at a l3 lan.

NeM

01-09-2003, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Solid Snake

Probably not DVD movies as that would be rather illegal.
They had DVD viewing rooms at A3 and at the first FCL lan... the FCL might've been dodgy but A3 was a massive registered event... wonder what kind of precautions (if any) they took.

Wibber

01-09-2003, 08:34 PM

i got a redeon 9k you can borrow ssnake

edit: oh and daw you tutor is full of **** Ive used a 20m crossover I've made at gigabit, as long as you make the cable properly its no problem. It is less tolerant of crosstalk than 10/100 but as long you do a proper job it will be fine.

NeM

01-09-2003, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Tobias[nz]
Iwhy would playing dvd's be illegal? i would not think playing dvds at home would be much difference that at a l3 lan.
It's illegal to show videos/DVDs to large audiences.. read the antipiracy mumbojumbo that usually is shown 1st thing on the tape/DVD ;)

varkk

01-09-2003, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by NeM
They had DVD viewing rooms at A3 and at the first FCL lan... the FCL might've been dodgy but A3 was a massive registered event... wonder what kind of precautions (if any) they took.

Contacting the appropriate person to pay license fees for a public screening? At a guess that is the way to do it.

But, I go to lans to play/leech/meet etc. If I want to watch a movie I'll go to Hoyts, but a projector running off a machine on the BF1942 or similar server in spectator mode would be cool. Maybe something to talk about being cool but not really important by any stretch.

NeM

01-09-2003, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by varkk

But, I go to lans to play/leech/meet etc. If I wanna watch a movie I'll go to Hoyts
Ditto, I only set foot once in the DVD room at A3, and then promptly left. Just wanted to see what was goin on in there :)

Tobiaz[nz]

01-09-2003, 08:48 PM

hmm, just an idea

Solid Snake

01-09-2003, 08:59 PM

It's a cool idea, sadly it's just a touch illegal. I am allowed to show very short 5-10 minutes clips I think, as that would abide by the "sampling" kind of rule ... kind of like trailers and so forth. Sampling movies is always a possibility .. now isn't it? Or we can always show the random funny stuff that people usually have.... if we had a projector!

ktulu

01-09-2003, 09:03 PM

Solid Snake

01-09-2003, 09:35 PM

Sounds to me like it was just more pointless stuff that money was spent on...

psyrg

01-09-2003, 10:28 PM

Just a thought you guys, but both parking and traffic are going to suck on Friday night.

Why dont we sort out a van that will transport computers and people from a local parking building, and give it a reserved parking space at the lan?

I'd pay a dollar for that. :)

Eagle32

01-09-2003, 11:14 PM

I'd think you'd need to be paying a lot more than $1 for that psyrg

Distorted

01-09-2003, 11:46 PM

You would need more than one van and it would just be a total mess, a nice idea, but it wouldn't really work too well, you'd have people standing around in the parking area waiting, wondering what the hell is going on, getting impatient, you would need people to help you unload your rig, cause if you have a bag, a case, a monitor, all in the van at once, when you get dropped off, you need to move that gear pretty quick, and you dont want to leave it on the street by itself, and if you have a few lanners in the van at once, you would need a lot of man power just to unload that one van
not trying to be negative, tis a good idea, just kinda impractical

Lord Booga

02-09-2003, 12:33 AM

Dammit! I can't get Friday off work, so I won't be there until midnight-1am :(

Save me a good spot someone! :P

NeM

02-09-2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Lord Booga
Dammit! I can't get Friday off work, so I won't be there until midnight-1am :(

Save me a good spot someone! :P

I'll save ya one if ya want :p

Lord Booga

02-09-2003, 04:04 AM

Good boy.

Make up a little card that says 'Booga will flash you if you steal this spot', and tape it to the table, that'll keep everyone off.

Also, will there be a pizza run on Sat. night as per usual?

psyrg

02-09-2003, 09:04 AM

You would need more than one van and it would just be a total mess
Aye, I see your point, but if everyone tries to get a park in the city centre to drop off their gear, then its going to be a bigger mess. I was thinking we needed some sort of air traffic control for the parking spaces, but then I figured that transport from a parking building would probably be better. I guess we could have a time sheet giving your five minutes for the car park.

I'd think you'd need to be paying a lot more than $1 for that psyrg
Well, if the charge was $5 a computer (return trip?) and everyone wanted one moved, then thats most of your new 9800 pro paid off isn't it... :)

dOg

02-09-2003, 09:14 AM

the vmagic i attended at C-lan had a lap and projector set up upstairs and we all just chilled out for a bit and watched a movie..or two...was kinda cool..and very relaxing after gaming ..best set up in a similar area..if in fact there is one

just my 2c...
gotta get back to the map..you wont believe the job ghurki did on the bots for kharkov..why couldnt dice have done this??...

course he negleted to tell me he used friggin editer made cons and i went and replaced them all without a backup ..sooo now i gotta redo all the tank spawns again

Distorted

02-09-2003, 11:27 AM

Air traffic controller, thats a good idea, maybe a bunch of people can volunteer to help ship gear upstairs, but that would only work for people who are being dropped off, as you dont want to leave your pc in the hands of a stranger

Distorted

02-09-2003, 11:28 AM

oh i forgot to ask, d0g, what goodies do you have instore for us this time? its been a while since the last lan so im sure you've got a few treats in store? :D

[NZJ]Daw

02-09-2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Wibber
i got a redeon 9k you can borrow ssnake

edit: oh and daw you tutor is full of **** Ive used a 20m crossover I've made at gigabit, as long as you make the cable properly its no problem. It is less tolerant of crosstalk than 10/100 but as long you do a proper job it will be fine. you'll still get alot of fallouts, and its not reconmended, and you wont reach max speed, on duplex, possibly reach 1000...

if you want to prove the point, i'm willing to watch transfers over a cat5e cable, between gigabit connections at the lan :)

KingJackal

02-09-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by [NZJ]Daw
if you want to prove the point, i'm willing to watch transfers over a cat5e cable, between gigabit connections at the lan :)

But that won't prove jack, because nobody has a NIC that can actually PUSH a gig. Even worse, I don't think anybody has a RAID-array that can push a gig EITHER.

.....so no, that won't prove any point ;) :p.

Distorted

02-09-2003, 02:21 PM

KingJackal, on an unrelated note btw, i just played that stupid insanity thing...
my cat came running in and jumped on my head and started attacking me
now it's over the other side of the room giving me the evils...
i think it's plotting my death

all because of that insanity thing
hmmm :/

MaZeR

02-09-2003, 02:34 PM

OK thank's guys! I am sticking with my CAT5E as I have successfully confused to a standstill :D

imdying

02-09-2003, 02:42 PM

Sorry for posting this so late, but if it's not obvious, {.bLanK} would like to sit together :) Preferably where most other people will be, and near mazer and the NCGN boys if possible. Ta

Malcolm

psyrg

02-09-2003, 03:45 PM

But that won't prove jack, because nobody has a NIC that can actually PUSH a gig. Even worse, I don't think anybody has a RAID-array that can push a gig EITHER.

.....so no, that won't prove any point .
Get two linux boxes with big net cards, and set up some sort of socket conection between them. Then you can begin to pipe /dev/random into the other computers bit bucket. ;)

Run netwatch and watch the bits fly...

Wibber

02-09-2003, 04:11 PM

even so the majority of consumer level cards wont push a gig,they arent desinged to, on most chipsets they still share the pci bus with soundscards, harddrives and maybe modems, so the cards dont have to perfrom at the theoretical max.

either way you look at it you can still get a Gbit connection running on a 20m cat5e cable, even though it isnt within spec.
But hey we're overclockers, deal with it :p

psyrg

02-09-2003, 04:18 PM

Any crazy 'overclockers' with PCI-X and gigabit net cards who are comming to L15 out there? We have a little experiment for you... :)

MaZeR

02-09-2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by imdying
Sorry for posting this so late, but if it's not obvious, {.bLanK} would like to sit together :) Preferably where most other people will be, and near mazer and the NCGN boys if possible. Ta

Malcolm

Yeah I'll have a lookout for ya's. Hopefully I'll find myself somewhere between the {.blank} guys, the LW's, and those [NZAF] guys attending in stealth mode :P

KingJackal

02-09-2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by psyrg
Get two linux boxes with big net cards, and set up some sort of socket conection between them. Then you can begin to pipe /dev/random into the other computers bit bucket. ;)

Run netwatch and watch the bits fly...

:confused: :confused: :confused:

And what - you think Linux will make your hard-drives capable of transfering data faster, and improve the physical capabilities of your NIC? Dream on....

I don't think you get it. THERE AIN'T ANY DESKTOP GEAR OUT THERE CAPABLE OF PUSHING A GIGABIT CONNECTION.

Unless somebody has two $1000+ server gigabit NIC's ( because normal NIC's can't push a gig ) running off of server mobo's with a 64-bit PCI bus ( 32-bit PCI just can't push a gigabit ), AND both are powered by RAID array's ( even with SCSI, you'd need an array unless you're talking ultra-wide 15k's - if using 7k ATA100/133 drives, you'll need 0+0, because even 2 of those drives can't push a gig! ).

THEN you'll be able to test your theory.

Geez - you are a rich boy :eek:

The alternative being we line up 15 or so machine's either side of a gig link and tell them to all leach like mad ( leaching in pairs off each other so they don't double-up destinations ), and aggregate the totals...

Oblivian

02-09-2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by MaZeR
Yeah I'll have a lookout for ya's. Hopefully I'll find myself somewhere between the {.blank} guys, the LW's, and those [NZAF] guys attending in stealth mode :P

No idea what you are talking about :eek:

..x-saer..

02-09-2003, 04:54 PM

In regards to the parking - I had a thought

You know that pedestrain crossing just before the Macca's and that across Colombo? Well, I'm not sure exactly what time it happens (I think it is 5pm, but I know that it has happened at 8pm when I leave work) they take the poles out that prevent people from driving into Cashel Mall - this is so that the shop-keeper cars / delivery peeps and all that can drive in without having to cart everything a long distance.
So, all you need to do is drive up into there, park in front of Ballantynes, and lug your equipment a couple of shops down.. it is a little further than the loading bay, but that is full most of the time. THe only problem is is that I think if you stay there too long you will get a ticket, and it is often quite busy with people walking around there... although not getting closer to the 8pm mark. Anyways, it's just an idea.

psyrg

02-09-2003, 04:59 PM

Hey King, I hant seen you since L3 all thouse years ago, I was Nuke then btw...

Anyway, /dev/random is a virtual file device, and so is the bit bucket (/dev/null) so they really dont care about how fast your hard disks can blat data. :)

The gig net cards though, now thats just crazy stuff. The only real purpose I can see for them is for blatting data inside a Beowulf cluster, or perhaps on a mighty webserver (such as the link to kernel.org).

In regards to the parking - I had a thought
I guess thats all we need then. :)

Tobiaz[nz]

02-09-2003, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by KingJackal

The alternative being we line up 15 or so machine's either side of a gig link and tell them to all leach like mad ( leaching in pairs off each other so they don't double-up destinations ), and aggregate the totals...

why is dat sooo small?

[NZJ]Daw

02-09-2003, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by KingJackal
But that won't prove jack, because nobody has a NIC that can actually PUSH a gig. Even worse, I don't think anybody has a RAID-array that can push a gig EITHER.

.....so no, that won't prove any point ;) :p. indeed, that was the point, how did he test his theory to begin with..

now the people at dove, HAVE gigabit tech, and CAN easily grab a couple of rigs with Gigabit cards (on decent motherboards) and test this..

so as soon as i see somebody proving me wrong about cat5e not running Gigabit Well, if at all, i'm going to say they dont know what they are talking about :)

oOo Dragon oOo

02-09-2003, 07:35 PM

Just coz I'm a nosy bugger, will you (The big KJ) be posting the final seating arragement so everyone knows where everyone else is sitting or just see when we get there?

As for me parking (like anyone gives a damn anyways) I'm gonna park the car somewhere and just skateboard everywhere. As for unloading... use friends.. they are helpful.

Also If someone really wants to go to the lan and doesnt have a space I might be talked into letting you use me box for a few hours on Saturday under the ever watchful eye of Oblivian

MrThc

02-09-2003, 07:44 PM

I am very interested to see how gigabit lan goes in my rig. I have an Intel i875P based board, with Intel Pro 1Gb LAN on CSA, and 2x SATA HDD's connected directly to southbridge on native conroller. Neither my lan or HDD's are connected to the measily 133mb\s PCI bus :D

From my calculations anyway, 1 Gigibit = ~ 256Mb\s full duplex. Intel CSA = 266Mb\s dedicated bus for 1Gb LAN, which is enough for full duplex 1Gb LAN. Intel ICH5R SATA has 2x Connectors with 150Mb\s link each directly to Southbridge.

I know I won't get anywhere near 128Mb\s each way, but I'm pretty certain that I'll get a lot more than 12Mb\s like 100mb LAN :D

Wibber

02-09-2003, 08:10 PM

Im positive you will, (well thats the whole point) but nowhere near the theoretical max.

you might get 50-70mb/s each way

psyrg

02-09-2003, 08:47 PM

As I stated before, we can use Linux and the /dev/random device to blat out as much random crap as your CPU can produce. We pipe the stream toward some diestination machine, and we can put your net card through its paces.

Basically, we can push your net card without accessing your disk drives. :)

Binky Stunt Cat

02-09-2003, 10:08 PM

To save me writing it out a dozen times over....I'm not going now.
Because I'm "officialy stressed" and would like at least one quiet weekend....as much as one can get around here anyway....

siti

02-09-2003, 11:02 PM

what about:
ping -f IPADDRESS
less cpu usage needed!

Wibber

03-09-2003, 08:12 AM

um a gigabit worth of pings? i think not :p

Tobiaz[nz]

03-09-2003, 08:22 AM

*not talking about gigabit

is stylespc going to be selling blank cds?? if so, how much??

coes harvey norman got em for 5.95 for 10 cds, i might get 2 of those.

dOg

03-09-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by DiStoRteD
oh i forgot to ask, d0g, what goodies do you have instore for us this time? its been a while since the last lan so im sure you've got a few treats in store? :D

well basically i got interested in the multimadmans winter map released as a mod at that time "kharkov 43" ..the skins for the russians were very good..and i could see a situation arising where we woundnt be able to use custom skins with the upcoming 1.4 patch..
so in light of the coming age of the "rotational map".. i began to redo the map and complete the skins for the axis troops and vehicles..i also used the values and damage systems ..from a mod group .."Battlegroup42" whose aim was to place the correct vehicles on the maps with 1/3 historic damage and muzzle velocities..
for example under bg42 there were no tigers at alamein.. but there were sas four wheel drive jeeps bristling with vickers mgs ..these commandos gave the jerries hell for abit..

so 1.4 came and went and custom skins dissappeared overnite..there was renewed interest in "vanilla bf" and dc lost some of its popularity as the click and shoot thing wore off abit..

then multimadman and red twilight ..both of whom i was talking to at the time....joined forces..
merciless almost tried to muscle their way [ it was like join forces or give us all your models ..kingtiger ..panther etc..]..into a mod that all the whos who of the bf universe were calling.. "this higly underated mod"
my opinion was sought by both camps..bf42 and redtwilight....and i wasnt exactly against it as there are killah and now takiwa who are both very good bf skinners in that camp..but their stance was somewhat standoverish
other mods.."wow" [weapons of word war 2] which are making some cool historically correct rifles etc.. and "real plane" ..whose work is like d by all..joined with bg42..
bg42 is having mappers .who are a veritable "whos who" of the bf mapping world..coverting their maps to bg42..and the quality is extremely high...
for example berlin just insn't berlin without the two famous kingtigers and the tiger 1 that defended the brandenburg gate..thius new mapper has made a map with the gate and reichstag in it for bg42..[wip]
another example is operation barbarosa which has the coolest effects..[ read collection here as we all know of lots of them] that ive seen in any one mao...[the mooing bleeding static cows are gimicky but hey theyre cool to blast]
another example is farmer toms [dc mapper and reviewer on main global bf forums] "bizory farm" which is also wip in conversion..
the best map so far released for bg42 is without a doubt ghurkis operation citadel which is a huge map recreating kursk with a **** load of all sorts of tanks and artillary emplacements all correctly skinned and with full bot support..
its cool to fly over the battefield and see tanks exploding on the plains beneath you

the map i was workin on is complete for vanilla bf as a rotaional map and ill be upping it to the jsg forum today..
the bg42 version i want to add more variety in the tanks a little more so a little skinning is required and i want to reskin the 88
...this cannon rocks its on the lower right aa emplacement and left clic is aa ..right clic is antitank..the gun covers both bridges and both teams can capture it..
russians have the superheavy kv2 and i might add the kv1 and kv1s...i was waiting for new unwraps on these models [ theyre very hard to reskin]...but we can play this
axis will have a panzer 1v_fh and a panzer 111 special..as well as the core tigergruppe...

so the time when skinners have become mappers has arisen..besides ghurki and myself takiwa has just released a rotational bf map.."kasserine pass"...the frst appearence of the feared tiger..very well done..the turret traverse and reload times have been slowed to more realism....also that way shermans will have a chance as they need to get behind it..if you dont take the acps then youll run out of gas and you cant get into the other teams vehicles in this one..yes those are the bg42 value system where the acp repairs the vehicles and troops..ill be reviewing this map on the jsg forums with an eye to wether the smoking flaming vehicle wrecks ..[ on explosion] are laggy or not..its not bot supported so a lan would be the perfect test vehicle..
basically in this map youll have to spawn a few tanks then move together to meet the other forces..leaving the acps behind will make you a target from the air..and youll have no way to reload..
so a major battle will occur somewhere in the map centre id imagine..bailing from aircraft and capping the towns will just strand you with no xtra ammo ..some health..against advancing armour..id grab the jeep there and get the fluck outa dodge..or respawn more troops but youll still need armour from the base..

smacks will hate this map by default..you cant even steal the planes..

so thats about it and il be bringing all the maps etc to the lan and you can try them if you like..i know the blank crew will be interested in paying these as weve been communictaing to get some of the effects into dc chch..

bg still has work to do the kt's etc are all being reskinned and i held off promoting the mod for that reason..however if more maps like operation citadel..[and there are] are on the way then its time to reveal this mod to the gamers over here..:p

KingJackal

03-09-2003, 05:21 PM

Network

This LAN requires that you bring a network cable. Now, if you don't have a cable, I can get one for you - and chances are it'll cost you a lot less than most other places. If you want me to get you a cable, email me (sre28@student.canterbury.ac.nz) telling me what length.

You can pick it up and pay for it when you arrive at the LAN :).

10m - $8
15m - $10
20m - $15
30m - $20

Just make sure to email me - even if you've previously ICQ/IRC/DC/PM/post'ed about it. Cheers.

I've only got about a dozen network cables - and they'll all get used with servers, let alone my PC, let alone between switches ( yeah, I need to buy a few more tommorow - probably another dozen of so... ). So please DON'T FORGET your network cable!

Power Splitters

You should bring a 4-way splitter box. If your splitter box is needed at home ( for example, if your PC and your TV were running off it ), then see if you can't stop by PlaceMakers sometime before the LAN - they sell them for <$3 each.

Don't fret too much if you forget - I've got 40 4-way splitters and 3 or 4 6-way splitters to tide things over with.

Power Extensions

While you probably won't need to bring extension cables because I've also got 13 20m extension cables, we are using a whole lot of classrooms, so they probably WILL get used up. If it's no hassle to bring an extension with you, please do so ( especially just 5m or 10m one's - as lengths like that for odd corners and table gaps will probably be the cables that we need, if anything ).

Jug cords

C-LAN was kinda cool, with 2 jug-cords sitting there waiting all set up for every machine. But we're not at C-LAN anymore, so there won't be jug-cords available either. Well, I've got 65ish just in case - but given there will be over 100 PC's there, I think you can see that that AIN'T gonna get very far ;). So bring your own - but don't have a nervous break-down if you forget.

....of course, if you forget your power-MOVES, I'm not gonna help you. I'll just own your ass headshot-stylez :p :D.

[NZJ]Daw

03-09-2003, 06:36 PM

uddd idea for making money for parts.. but its kinda borderline not being charged.

Making afew rigs, burn cds, charge a price per cd burnt onto it, even people off the street can come to the easily accessable table for a cd Burned.

but then you'd have to watch how it was done.
also what about "fill a hard drive" for people who cant bring computers in, you have a large server computer, you leave the Drive LABELED CLEARLY with us over night, as the data you request (as long as we can get it, and its not too far out) will be put onto the drive for a charge, of course this could be justified by

"THIS DATA IS ONLY FOR DEMO REASONS IT CANNOT BE LEGALY KEPT AFTER 24 HOURS"

you'd have to charge people abit than they'd like for this service, and it would be cheaper to bring a computer in, but if this is the only way they could do it, its possibly another source of Income for the lans.

just ignore me, if its been mentioned, but i do think it can be pulled off, before the priacy laws really kick into New Zealand.

Sumo

03-09-2003, 06:41 PM

Distorted

03-09-2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by [NZJ]Daw
uddd idea for making money for parts.. but its kinda borderline not being charged.

Making afew rigs, burn cds, charge a price per cd burnt onto it, even people off the street can come to the easily accessable table for a cd Burned.

but then you'd have to watch how it was done.
also what about "fill a hard drive" for people who cant bring computers in, you have a large server computer, you leave the Drive LABELED CLEARLY with us over night, as the data you request (as long as we can get it, and its not too far out) will be put onto the drive for a charge, of course this could be justified by

"THIS DATA IS ONLY FOR DEMO REASONS IT CANNOT BE LEGALY KEPT AFTER 24 HOURS"

you'd have to charge people abit than they'd like for this service, and it would be cheaper to bring a computer in, but if this is the only way they could do it, its possibly another source of Income for the lans.

just ignore me, if its been mentioned, but i do think it can be pulled off, before the priacy laws really kick into New Zealand.

are you ****ing nuts?
HELLO
WE ARE SHARING THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENTS AND YOU WANT TO ATTRACT AS MUCH ATTENTION AS YOU CAN!@?#
Profiting off piracy == BAD++
even if there are poxy copyright laws in nz, you can still get done for it. People have in the past and will in the future, and that doesnt change the fact that it's still a stupid idea, you can still get in **** for it in this country. Its bad enough being done for software piracy/copyright infringements, but being caught PROFITING off it is just a million times worse, and that would pretty much see the end of the lanning scene around here. Imagine if the authorities decided to inspect the location, pretty much everyone's pc's would be confiscated and we would all be facing charges on copyright infringements.
ARGH

Geek4Life

03-09-2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Sumo
**** lets run a brothel too...... (no offence, but it it VERY dodgy, thus no doubt not a good idea...)
Well a brothel is all legal now ;)

.weasel.

03-09-2003, 07:28 PM

damn, you lot where on him faster than a fat kid on cake...

Granted he deserved it, lets just drop the matter here and now. We will have plenty of time at the lan to discuss this ;)

:edit: since we are on the subject of cables, i will bring all my network cables, some spare uncrimped cable, crimper and plugs as well as some jug cords and psu to monitor cords. Better to be safe than sorry ;)

O'Neill

03-09-2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by [NZJ]Daw
uddd idea for making money for parts.. but its kinda borderline not being charged.

Dude you have seriously lost tough with reality

on another subject
KJ - I can bring the NCGN Supply of 5x 5m cat5e cables and 3x power extention leads and a couple of extra 4 way power boards

KingJackal

03-09-2003, 07:57 PM

Daw - don't bring your drugs with you to the LAN :p. L³ clearly states in its rules:

If alcohol is allowed and you get drunk we reserve the right to get you to sober up before walking around the rigs.You're drunk when we say you're drunk.
Smoking is generally outside only. Sometimes we may have designated areas for you however.
Headphones only please.
Use deoderant often.
Do not use other people's computers without their consent. Just because it is not being used, does not mean that you should use it! Use common sense here.
Do not take or borrow other people's CDs/Disks/DVDs/Zip Disks/USB Drives or other removable hardware or software with the owners consent.
We are not a warez convention.
No illegal drugs, firearms, weapons or chemical or biological substances.

And that's not just on the website to look pretty. Every official server that L³ runs uses an operating system that we own ( or is free ), serving games using free dedicated server programs ( or copies of games that we own ), and serves only files that are free for distribution.

As an organisation, if we started selling off warez and whatever on CD's ( or filling hard-drives to order etc ), we'd get absolutely ASS-RAPED in court - and rightly so. We can't police everything that everyone does at the LAN, but we can and WILL police ourselves and everything we do - and that certainly includes all sales that we make.

'Getting in before laws hit' might be a good way to make a few bucks - but ethically, we just aren't going to go there. As it stands, the perceived illegal nature of LANs ( especially by businesses that earn their money by selling/making software ) makes it very hard to get many sponsors - and in turn, makes it harder to run LANs. I certainly wouldn't want to make life harder on LAN organisers country-wide by featuring a warez stall bust as the first item on Holmes.

*cough*

But annnyyways.... :)

Originally posted by O'Neill
KJ - I can bring the NCGN Supply of 5x 5m cat5e cables and 3x power extention leads and a couple of extra 4 way power boards

5m cables won't help much - the switches are 20ish port switches, and because of the venue layout there will be VERY few seats that are actually within 5m of a switch ( hence why I'm not offering anything less than 10m cables ). Don't worry about the 4-way splitters either - probably just more hassle than it's worth. But bring the extensions - they could be handy.

( not dissing your offer - just saying splitters and 5m cables would probably just be more hassle than they'd be worth ;) )

Tobiaz[nz]

03-09-2003, 08:18 PM

10m cable for me, ill pay whem i come in

Oblivian

03-09-2003, 08:28 PM

I'm slightly concerned about thugs that hanground Maccas/Timezone throughout the night on the weekends spotting some hardware going into the building and waltzing on in freely. Mebe we need some temp passes? or halted at the door (not registered) and ppl they intend to visit come to meet them at the doorway.

varkk

03-09-2003, 08:38 PM

Those guys usually don't come out till later, probabluy around 9ish so hopefully by that time, not many people will be coming in with computers etc so they may not notice that it is open.

Distorted

03-09-2003, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Oblivian
I'm slightly concerned about thugs that hanground Maccas/Timezone throughout the night on the weekends spotting some hardware going into the building and waltzing on in freely. Mebe we need some temp passes? or halted at the door (not registered) and ppl they intend to visit come to meet them at the doorway.

I think you make a very good point Oblivion.
Someone monitoring who comes in and out throughout the night periods checking entry would be a good idea, and tags of some description, maybe ones that hang around your neck would be useful so we can easily identify who is and isnt supposed to be there, and what about a visitor log? so if people come to visit, they sign in and put on a "Visitor" badge or something?

KingJackal

03-09-2003, 08:47 PM

We DO have a bouncer guys ;). That was part of the venue requirements. We won't be checking everyone out (that would just be a pain in the ass ), but as there's only one exit ( the stairwell/elevator ), we WILL be checking out anyone that's leaving with hardware ;).

That's probably likely to feature at LANs more and more - especially when we get venues in the central city. Because yes, there ARE tons of random's just walking around Fri/Sat nights.

I haven't decided what to do re: tags/passes/tickets whatever. That'll be sorted by next LAN - but in the meantime, any idea's on what you think would be the easiest way to do things?

scuzzy

03-09-2003, 09:10 PM

Numbered tag, matched to user provided description of his/her rig for the next lan? And until then....lockdown hours. No one leaves w/ hardware from this time to this time...?

And to get sidetracked re:piracy

I think it would be damn cool to build a EMP device Matrix style, and when the cops rush in, detonate it. Millions of $ in hardware fried, but no convictions :)

Maybe it's just me.

[NZJ]Daw

03-09-2003, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by KingJackal
Daw - don't bring your drugs with you to the LAN :p. L³ clearly states in its rules:

If alcohol is allowed and you get drunk we reserve the right to get you to sober up before walking around the rigs.You're drunk when we say you're drunk.
Smoking is generally outside only. Sometimes we may have designated areas for you however.
Headphones only please.
Use deoderant often.
Do not use other people's computers without their consent. Just because it is not being used, does not mean that you should use it! Use common sense here.
Do not take or borrow other people's CDs/Disks/DVDs/Zip Disks/USB Drives or other removable hardware or software with the owners consent.
We are not a warez convention.
No illegal drugs, firearms, weapons or chemical or biological substances.

And that's not just on the website to look pretty. Every official server that L³ runs uses an operating system that we own ( or is free ), serving games using free dedicated server programs ( or copies of games that we own ), and serves only files that are free for distribution.

As an organisation, if we started selling off warez and whatever on CD's ( or filling hard-drives to order etc ), we'd get absolutely ASS-RAPED in court - and rightly so. We can't police everything that everyone does at the LAN, but we can and WILL police ourselves and everything we do - and that certainly includes all sales that we make.

'Getting in before laws hit' might be a good way to make a few bucks - but ethically, we just aren't going to go there. As it stands, the perceived illegal nature of LANs ( especially by businesses that earn their money by selling/making software ) makes it very hard to get many sponsors - and in turn, makes it harder to run LANs. I certainly wouldn't want to make life harder on LAN organisers country-wide by featuring a warez stall bust as the first item on Holmes.

*cough* yeah just an idea, too much codeine for daw :D

we should drop it, but not everything we have at a lan is illegal, and its innocent untill proven guilty, though its very very very likely they'll just come in and take computers without warning.. so best not..

i suppose since they crack down on selling stuff, more than giving, meh it'd be gutting.. all the fast ways to make money are illegal, haha

and sorry sir, will try to think before speech becomes me :D

edit -

Originally posted by KingJackal
We DO have a bouncer guys ;). That was part of the venue requirements. We won't be checking everyone out (that would just be a pain in the ass ), but as there's only one exit ( the stairwell/elevator ), we WILL be checking out anyone that's leaving with hardware ;).

That's probably likely to feature at LANs more and more - especially when we get venues in the central city. Because yes, there ARE tons of random's just walking around Fri/Sat nights.

I haven't decided what to do re: tags/passes/tickets whatever. That'll be sorted by next LAN - but in the meantime, any idea's on what you think would be the easiest way to do things?

Its alot of work, but why dont people make a record somewhere when entering the lan, what hardware they own, a quick once over for each person (it'd still be a pain in the ass) but as the people get more well known, you'd know what came with who, and give each person a code number, on a sticky bit of paper, for the inside of each case, and underside of montior

(or rear of case might make checking when people are in easier)

that way if anybody is going to leave, they say who they are, and they're box/boxes could be easily ticked off, as they head out the door

(or at LEAST if you saw somebody leaving with unmarked hardware, or one that isnt their number you'd know they were 'stealing it')
but then again it takes alot of man power to fully protect these lanning events

i assume you'll have a "check out guy" or bouncer on the higher floor or the one the main network isnt going to be on, so he can send down the ones without tags, unless you do it down stairs?

its a pickle to setup with many floors :)

astro-g

03-09-2003, 09:14 PM

printed light cardboard tag,
Tag:
Name:
IP address(?):
location code:

hole punch, and a length of string
- "here! - wear this, or else!" at the registartions desk

if your feeling really paraniod,
print a table on the back, that can Identify which box, monitor, etc. the person brought, and stamp it, or something so it cant be changed.
did I say REALLY paranoid?

scuzzy - how about the pinch device from oceans 11?

KingJackal

03-09-2003, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by astro-g
printed light cardboard tag,
Tag:
Name:
IP address(?):
location code:

hole punch, and a length of string
- "here! - wear this, or else!" at the registartions desk

I WOULD do something like that - but printing out all the tags, with the right IP's etc, then punching them and tying all that string - for 103 registered places ( plus extra's for contingencies ), would probably take upwards of 4-6 hours. And given I've got a Uni assignment due Monday, a Uni exam Tues, am out busy tommorow night - oh yeah, and a LAN to get ready, I just won't be able to get that done ( trust me, I've done IP-cards before, and it took the best part of 4+ hours just with the cutting them all out etc =/ ).

But I did just have an idea - I've got a reel of 'tickets'. They're just the individually numbered one's you get from Whitcoulls etc.

We could give everyone one for each monitor and case they bring in, and take them off you as you leave? People could still leave with other people's machines - but that's not a likely occurance. It would at least stop random's from walking out with gear.

Solid Snake

03-09-2003, 09:47 PM

Was these the ones I got?

CommanderK

03-09-2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by astro-g
printed light cardboard tag,
Tag:
Name:
IP address(?):
location code:

hole punch, and a length of string
- "here! - wear this, or else!" at the registartions desk

if your feeling really paraniod,
print a table on the back, that can Identify which box, monitor, etc. the person brought, and stamp it, or something so it cant be changed.
did I say REALLY paranoid?

scuzzy - how about the pinch device from oceans 11?

Yeah, I argee with this (the former) and just a vistors/user log 'sign in, sign out'.

Distorted

03-09-2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by KingJackal
I WOULD do something like that - but printing out all the tags, with the right IP's etc, then punching them and tying all that string - for 103 registered places ( plus extra's for contingencies ), would probably take upwards of 4-6 hours. And given I've got a Uni assignment due Monday, a Uni exam Tues, am out busy tommorow night - oh yeah, and a LAN to get ready, I just won't be able to get that done ( trust me, I've done IP-cards before, and it took the best part of 4+ hours just with the cutting them all out etc =/ ).

But I did just have an idea - I've got a reel of 'tickets'. They're just the individually numbered one's you get from Whitcoulls etc.

We could give everyone one for each monitor and case they bring in, and take them off you as you leave? People could still leave with other people's machines - but that's not a likely occurance. It would at least stop random's from walking out with gear.

KJ, im still on holiday, if you want I can work something out for ID or security or ip tags sort of thing, ive got a printer etc, and two days to do it in, so send me a pm if you wana work something out