2.72ghz tbred!!!

[Volodkovich]

w00t! just checked the vr-zone tbred overclocking database and a guy from japan overclocked his tbred "AXDA" to 2.72ghz on Ln2!!! Now that would spank some p4 ass...
heres the link (http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/AMD/TBred/). Heh, pretty good for the second tbred stepping...we might actually see a tbred over 3ghz!!! yay.

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
w00t! just checked the vr-zone tbred overclocking database and a guy from japan overclocked his tbred "AXDA" to 2.72ghz on Ln2!!! Now that would spank some p4 ass...
heres the link (http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/AMD/TBred/). Heh, pretty good for the second tbred stepping...we might actually see a tbred over 3ghz!!! yay.

Hmmm - I'm surprised macci, OPPAINTER, DigitalJesus or any other of those phreeks aren't the ones getting their mitts on em and beasting them up.... though I KNOW that state won't last for long if that result turns out to be typical from near future steppings.... :D

[Deviant]

Oh yeah baby, bring on Barton.

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Deviant
Oh yeah baby, bring on Barton.

YOU'RE NEVER SATISFIED, ARE YOU?

TBred's aren't even out - but they're looking better and better. BUT NOOOOO - that's not good enough for Deviant!! Sheeesh....

( d@mnit I want more RAM - bring on 2GB!! )
:p

[I.R]

Well I'm waiting for my clawhammer before I buy a new CPU :rolleyes:

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by KingJackal
YOU'RE NEVER SATISFIED, ARE YOU?

TBred's aren't even out - but they're looking better and better. BUT NOOOOO - that's not good enough for Deviant!! Sheeesh....
:p
tell me about it! i do everything for that man, i cook, i clean, i dress-up, i call him names but do you ever think he's satisfied?!?

:P

[Binky Stunt Cat]

Originally posted by mird-OC

tell me about it! i do everything for that man, i cook, i clean, i dress-up, i call him names but do you ever think he's satisfied?!?

:P

apparently not.....i guess he's the sort that needs everything thats State-Of-The-Art 6 months before its released..

[Volodkovich]

Originally posted by KingJackal


Hmmm - I'm surprised macci, OPPAINTER, DigitalJesus or any other of those phreeks aren't the ones getting their mitts on em and beasting them up.... though I KNOW that state won't last for long if that result turns out to be typical from near future steppings.... :D

Opp has got his to 24XX mhz...hes on that list somwhere, however he was using a pelt and chilled water i think. Just a bit different compared to Ln2...

[Deviant]

Originally posted by KingJackal


YOU'RE NEVER SATISFIED, ARE YOU?

TBred's aren't even out - but they're looking better and better. BUT NOOOOO - that's not good enough for Deviant!! Sheeesh....

( d@mnit I want more RAM - bring on 2GB!! )
:p

I've got an Athlon XP1600 @ 1.62GHz, so there's not much point going to T-Bred unless the get good clock speeds with air. When the do Barton will be out, so that may be my next upgrade, unless T-Bred do something special in the mean time.

Now Hammers in the back of my mind too, so I will be eargerly awaiting that release too.

[Volodkovich]

*wonders why all those crazy jap overclockers use Epox 8k7a*

[MrThc]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
*wonders why all those crazy jap overclockers use Epox 8k7a*

because they are a kickass board, they are 1 of the only boards that can easily do 200mhz fsb, and the Vcore can be upped to over 2.1V without any modding needed, they also have plenty of room around the socket for large cooling devices such as huge copper buckets full of LN2 :D

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Damn those are pretty good OC's.

Did anyone else notice how many of them are sitting on 128MB ram? And running winNT :eek:

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Gh0s7 L3mUr
Did anyone else notice how many of them are sitting on 128MB ram? And running winNT :eek:
yep the memory thing is an old OC'er trick.. the idea being that smaller modules tend to be more stable at when stressed due to minimalised circuitry and the fact they only populate one bank.

i guess there probably is something to it ;)

[Humantuckshop]

Yeah the japs use the 8K3A because the CPU Core Voltage can be increased to 2.2V, and for the amazingly high FSB OC's. :D

[Bravo]

Couple of things.

1. The 2.72ghz isnt good for anything but a WCPUID shot. Notice his SSE is disabled? = Restricted performance = Reduced CPU Performance.

2. AXDA isnt the stepping, AXDA = Tbred Product Code (e.g. XP, AT etc..). It is probably an AIRGA week 18 - 24 processor.

3. The Epox board is used for its readily available voltage. The board has already been treated with conformal coating (anti-condensation sealant), and along with the memory, provides a stable, and proven test bed.

Every non-SSE supported processor has been chilled with Solid CO2 or N2, and doesnt really count as a valid overclock. These shots are only really useful for showing kids :(

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Bravo
Every non-SSE supported processor has been chilled with Solid CO2 or N2, and doesnt really count as a valid overclock. These shots are only really useful for showing kids :(
*whoosh*

yes you're right, and most, if not all of use here are aware of that. it doesn't make it any less impressive tho.

[Bravo]

Originally posted by mird-OC

*whoosh*

yes you're right, and most, if not all of use here are aware of that. it doesn't make it any less impressive tho.

Actually it does. The japanese have had Palomino cores within 200mhz of that speed. For those who know what to look for, this result isnt impressive at all.

[Volodkovich]

they have had a palomino to 2.5ghz....show me?

[Volodkovich]

also, i think ur being a little critical...i mean, this is the FIRST stepping of the tbred...wat stepping of the palomino were they using? somehow, i doubt it was the first one.

[Bravo]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
they have had a palomino to 2.5ghz....show me?

I was not referring to VR-Zone, but to Holicho. Anybody whose anybody knows that name :rolleyes:

[Bravo]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
also, i think ur being a little critical...i mean, this is the FIRST stepping of the tbred...wat stepping of the palomino were they using? somehow, i doubt it was the first one.

I am being 'critical' in your eyes for the simple reason with that particular cooling, and speed, its not good for anything but a screenshot. I would not be in the least surprised if it would benchmark 150 - 300mhz below that stable.

If i were to disable the L2 cache/SSE on my processor, i could clock my processor well beyond its specification.

[Volodkovich]

yea, well so is "holicho's" apparent overclock of a palomino to 2.5ghz...See the thing is, we all know that Ln2 cooling, will give massive OC's, yet these OC's are just numbers, you couldnt so anything with this processor, and it would most likely be totally munted afterwards. However, this is still an awesome, and as mird said, an impressive OC, simply because it is the highest clocked AMD cpu at the moment. People dont care wheter the L2/SSE is disabled, people care about numbers. A perfect example of this would be intels p4. When it was slower than a AMD Xp, people would still buy it becasue it had a higher clock.

[Bravo]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
yea, well so is "holicho's" apparent overclock of a palomino to 2.5ghz...See the thing is, we all know that Ln2 cooling, will give massive OC's, yet these OC's are just numbers, you couldnt so anything with this processor, and it would most likely be totally munted afterwards. However, this is still an awesome, and as mird said, an impressive OC, simply because it is the highest clocked AMD cpu at the moment. People dont care wheter the L2/SSE is disabled, people care about numbers. A perfect example of this would be intels p4. When it was slower than a AMD Xp, people would still buy it becasue it had a higher clock.

Couple of things.

1. Its N2(l), not Ln2. The N denotes its atomic component (Nitrogen), the 2 denotes the atomic structure (two nitrogen atoms sharing a common electron), and the (l) denotes its atomic state (liquid).

2. It is a completely useless overclock. Take note of the operating system, and test bench. I can easily assume it took half a dozen attempts to get that shot (and only by raising the Vcore inside windows).

3. People bought intel for the simple reason their processors with their 20 stage pipeline overclocked alot better. Willamette aside, a Stock 1.6A processor compared against an XP2000 (1.6ghz), the XP was easily the better processor. However, The 1.6A was composed of the same core as the 2.2ghz northwood, easily clocking to this speed at default voltage, with aircooling. To make matters worse, the Northwood was easily capable of clocking up to 2700mhz at default voltage. People bought Intel because they were faster at the clock race then AMD, nothing more.

Another tidbit to prove this point is the new 2.26B processor, it is easily capable of reaching 2600mhz at default voltage, indeed, a friend of mine has his at 3ghz aircooled at 1.75v.

I wont pretend that it 'isnt' a good overclock, if dictated purely by numbers, AMD would have lost this race along time ago. This Tbred overclock is useless as an example to be upheld by others as what the core is capable for. It was pushed far beyond its default voltage, with elaborate cooling, and again, isnt good for antying but the shot shown.

Oh, and hi ;)

[Volodkovich]

Originally posted by Bravo


Couple of things.

1. Its N2(l), not Ln2. The N denotes its atomic component (Nitrogen), the 2 denotes the atomic structure (two nitrogen atoms sharing a common electron), and the (l) denotes its atomic state (liquid).

2. It is a completely useless overclock. Take note of the operating system, and test bench. I can easily assume it took half a dozen attempts to get that shot (and only by raising the Vcore inside windows).

3. People bought intel for the simple reason their processors with their 20 stage pipeline overclocked alot better. Willamette aside, a Stock 1.6A processor compared against an XP2000 (1.6ghz), the XP was easily the better processor. However, The 1.6A was composed of the same core as the 2.2ghz northwood, easily clocking to this speed at default voltage, with aircooling. To make matters worse, the Northwood was easily capable of clocking up to 2700mhz at default voltage. People bought Intel because they were faster at the clock race then AMD, nothing more.

Another tidbit to prove this point is the new 2.26B processor, it is easily capable of reaching 2600mhz at default voltage, indeed, a friend of mine has his at 3ghz aircooled at 1.75v.

I wont pretend that it 'isnt' a good overclock, if dictated purely by numbers, AMD would have lost this race along time ago. This Tbred overclock is useless as an example to be upheld by others as what the core is capable for. It was pushed far beyond its default voltage, with elaborate cooling, and again, isnt good for antying but the shot shown.

Oh, and hi ;)

yea, LN2, as it is commonly known, this is an overclockers forum, not an chem one - lol.

if it is a completely useless overclock, lets see u do that man, but seriously, u cant say that unless u have had a tbred past that with liquid nitrogen.

i ma talking about the general public, not the OC community who buy p4s. The public dont buy p4's because of there "20 stage pipeline", they buy them coz there higher clocked.

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Bravo
Actually it does. The japanese have had Palomino cores within 200mhz of that speed. For those who know what to look for, this result isnt impressive at all.
2.7GHz is 2.7Ghz. sure it's not that far ahead of some of the palominos, but the tbred's process isn't anywhere near as refined as palomino (remember AMD have been on 0.18 micron process for quite a while now).

again, we're aware that's it's not practical, but it's still an impressive O/C - it's a big number and that's it - that's the whole point. it's the world record! comprende? ;)

[Bravo]

Originally posted by mird-OC

2.7GHz is 2.7Ghz. sure it's not that far ahead of some of the palominos, but the tbred's process isn't anywhere near as refined as palomino (remember AMD have been on 0.18 micron process for quite a while now).

again, we're aware that's it's not practical, but it's still an impressive O/C - it's a big number and that's it - that's the whole point. it's the world record! comprende? ;)

Actually, there is word the palomino core intergrates 0.13 technology. Do you really think 0.18 micron tech could scale as high as 1.9ghz @ default voltage aircooled? (my processor does).

Originally posted by Volodkovich

yea, LN2, as it is commonly known, this is an overclockers forum, not an chem one - lol.

if it is a completely useless overclock, lets see u do that man, but seriously, u cant say that unless u have had a tbred past that with liquid nitrogen.

i ma talking about the general public, not the OC community who buy p4s. The public dont buy p4's because of there "20 stage pipeline", they buy them coz there higher clocked.

I take great pains to be accurate with people who will use me as a source of information.

First of all, i wouldnt do it simply for a screenshot. I would have no practical application for me to warrant going to the effort for a screenshot.

Second, your point is actually mute. Sandra/3D Mark, and many, many other benchmarks clearly illustrate the 1.6A as being ahead of the XP2000. Coupled with XP, and a decent motherboard, the P4 processor is capable of making better use of memory bandwidth, complete this with 512k Cache, and now you tell me which processor is going to be faster ;)

[Volodkovich]

k, forget the northwoods, it still happened with the willamettes. The Xps were faster, yet ppl bought p4's coz they were higher clocked.

[Bravo]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
k, forget the northwoods, it still happened with the willamettes. The Xps were faster, yet ppl bought p4's coz they were higher clocked.

Your correct. However, The willamette processors were .18 micron tech :) Not really comparable to Tbred processors ;)

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Well I must say this has turned into a totally riveting debate. :D

I can understand what your saying Bravo. What's the point when they aren't actually able to use the system at this speed etc. But the same could be said about spending $25,000 on a car stereo that you have to get out of the car and go half way down the road to turn on otherwise it'll blow your ear drums. But people still do it. Why need for speed. :D
I mean why OC at all?? These processors can run every piece of software or game on the market so why push them further? Because we can. Because we can't help ourselves.
Of course we must distinguish between an OC that is perminent and an extreme OC for screen shots sake. The extreme has it's purpose as it gives us a fleeting glimpse of the future.

[mird-OC]

okay so you're just looking for an arguement... :rolleyes:

pass.

[Bravo]

mird-OC - Not in the least. I merely serve to teach those interested. Disregard my comments if you dont believe in them. I do believe they are correct however.

Gh0s7 L3mUr - Valid points, I overclock for benchmarking, and for F@H. It has a definite practical application as far as im concerned.

[I.R]

I thought this should go in here:

[Bravo]

Originally posted by I.R
I thought this should go in here:

That picture only holds true if you have inaccurate or invalid information. Thats not the case here.

[I.R]

Yes! You are right!! You win!!! :D

[KingJackal]

LOL @ the LN2 vs N2(l) debate.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA

FFS - the 2 must be SUBSCRIPT - not just small. SO YOU'RE ALL WRONG! w00t! I'm a pedantic @sshole!! I feel sooo big! /m3 is right!! w00t!

And I'm still impressed by that number. I don't care whether it's usable - I know it's not. That's not really the point..... :D

[Bravo]

Damn it Jackal, clearly i dont have the grasp of coding abilities you do ;)