AthlonXP 2500+ vs 2600+(333Mhz)

[extremerigman]

I have been looking at a few benchmarks and I'm now stuck between a barton and a tbred-b.

Which One should I choose 2500+ which is a barton, lower clock, 512K L2 cache FSB333 or, 2600+ which is a Tbred-b, higher clock 256K L2 cache FSB333?

[NTBlowz]

For oc Barton is better I think

[Antallica]

The Barton hasn't improved much in most benchies.... except for number crunching. So SETI, encoding/decoding etc. is faster.

[extremerigman]

I currently have a Palomino 2100+, do you think it will be more sensible to upgrade to 2600+?

[dumass]

i would recomend upgrade to a 2500+ and o/c that, as the cache will make a big difference (futureproofing, etc..)

[Antallica]

True that... and they are only $235.... I'd get one. I do believe SP has one now so hopefully he'll shed some light onto this matter.

[SilverPriest]

My one has been delayed :mad:
I'll hopefully have it up and running after this weekend.

[TooMuchCoffeeMan]

I spent the weekend burning in my barty 2500+, its now happily cruising along at 2200Mhz (stock is 1833)

Its also happy at 440Mhz DDR Dual Channel mode :)

Overall, I am very pleased I listened to Andrew at starlyte, we had a good discussion when I ordered and he mentioned I may want to consider the barton instead of the TBred B I was decided on.

I am happy with the barton, its a $200 CPU running better than the flagship $1000 3200+.

[SilverPriest]

Well, this may bode well for my barton then :)
What vcore?

[TooMuchCoffeeMan]

1.7 Vcore
system idles around 27C, has not yet passed 40C when burn in testing at 100% CPU.

(Thermalright SLK900U, super quiet and super cool)

The cooler has saved my hearing, and is 10C cooler than the Volcano 11 that I started with, it is well worth it.

[Genesis]

Everything running stock here atm with my 2500+ Barton, but Im going to give a crack at OCing it this weekend. This'll be.. Im ashamed to say.. my first oc (.. kinda makes sense, also the first time Ive gone the AMD way) :o :P

[extremerigman]

Will a Volcano7+ Do for overclocking?

[dustyslapper]

Its a very good cooler, especially on the high setting. (Actually I'd rather get spend a night in a cell with a lonely Gorilla than a night listening to that high speed fan's horrible noise). Obviously you'll be restricted in the volts department as it is only air cooling, but just keep an eye on your temp and ease it up there.

[extremerigman]

ok guys an update, my friend has bought be the 2500+, a Soltek 75FRN2-L, and Twinmos Dual Channel 2 X 256MB all for $438 Singapore Dollars. The currency exchange is one to one.

Good Deal?

[Spoon]

Originally posted by extremerigman
ok guys an update, my friend has bought be the 2500+, a Soltek 75FRN2-L, and Twinmos Dual Channel 2 X 256MB all for $438 Singapore Dollars. The currency exchange is one to one.

Good Deal?
Thinking $200 + $200 + $100.. So yeah, cheap and all but is it worth it for the lack of warranty?

Spoon

[dustyslapper]

Loss of warranty? Thats called overclocking.

You could probably get that off a NZ supplier for somewhere close to $500 maybe.

[Grrr!!]

Originally posted by Spoon
Thinking $200 + $200 + $100.. So yeah, cheap and all but is it worth it for the lack of warranty?

Spoon

Unless his friend lives in Singapore ;).

[extremerigman]

He does live there, warranty? Hmmm.....its a risk.

[mops]

back to the original topic.
i have currently tber-b 2100+ with does 2.2GHz watercooled.
it's currently at trademe for sale ATM.

anyways, i was about to ask same question:
barton 2500+ or tberd-b- 2600+

with 2600+ you are very lieky to hit 2.5 GHz watercooled, maby even more if you are lucky.
from what i seen around most you can expect from 2500+ barton is 2.2Ghz, and not much more. period.

I'm only after performance in games.

again, from what i read extra cache on barton doesnt help much in gaming.

can anyone confirm ???

[Humantuckshop]

Originally posted by mops
from what i seen around most you can expect from 2500+ barton is 2.2Ghz, and not much more. period.
can anyone confirm ???


You obviously haven't been looking too hard then. Many XP2500+ users can achieve 2.6~2.8GHz with watercooling.

http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/AMD/Barton/page2.htm ;)

[Krucifier]

From what I read at Anandtech the 512K cache is only good for games, they play better than the 2600+. The 2500+ suffers at most other things because of the low clock speed. But if you clocked it as high as the 2600+ the extra cache could only be beneficial. It's a tough choice, but every review I've read of the Barton core indicates they will run at 166Mhz air cooled at stock voltage. Decisions, decisions.

[mops]

yeach... decisions.. decisions....
;)

[SilverPriest]

Got my new bartron today, in an opened package :/
Has a code I haven't seen before.
I'll chuck it in when I can be arsed :p
Here's a wee piccie:

[SilverPriest]

And a close-up of the stepping info.

[CrazySurfaNZ]

CPU Specs (sourced from: http://mp3.zonebg.com/cpu/cpu.php ) :

Athlon XP Processor
Core Barton
CPU Model 10
Manufacturing Process 130 nm
Approximate Transistor Count 54.3 million
Approximate Die Size 101 sq. mm
Performance Rating 2500+
Working frequency 1833 MHz
Package Type OPGA
Operating Voltage 1.65 V
Max Die Temperature 85° C
L1 Cache Size 128 KB
L2 Cache Size 512 KB
Multiplier 11x
FSB Frequency 333 MHz
Stepping Code AQXEA
Manufacture Year 2003
Manufacture Week 22
Production Batch D
Batch Production Number 0272

[Method]

And crazy the 2600 specs please?

And someone fill me in.. wernt the new amd cpu's green? and the old ones brown?

[CrazySurfaNZ]

heh give me the code off the 2600 and ill give them to ya.. :D

[Method]

dummm deeeee dooooooo

[dustyslapper]

Originally posted by SilverPriest
And a close-up of the stepping info.

From what I've seen on OCAU that should be pretty decent mate. A week 22 = good. Most AQXDA and later seem decent. With your stepping if you've got the volts, the cooling and the gumption maybe two 'n a half gig without breaking the bank perhaps?


Now the clincher - where from?

[CrazySurfaNZ]

fvckin a! thats alright.. specially seeing he has a watercooling setup with dual rads.. that baby should fly... happy trails SP :D

[swiftynz]

i'm still waiting on my 2500+, let us know how well she goes silver :)

[mops]

Originally posted by SilverPriest
Got my new bartron today, in an opened package :/
Has a code I haven't seen before.
I'll chuck it in when I can be arsed :p
Here's a wee piccie:

what does it clock to ???
what voltage
what cooling ?

[prodigal]

I got my 2500 running @ 3200+ speed with out even changing the voltage! , it's running @ 2400mhz now with the voltage at 1.7.

My MB ( Zenith ) takes the cpu temp from the diode and im @ 47 Underload with an 'areo cool' fan

[X2C]

Just got my 2500+ today. Put it in and went stright to 200x11 at default vcore fine. Runs 210x11 at default vcore fine as well.
Will run 220x11 at 1.7 vcore but not 100% stable :(
Still I'll just give it some time :D

Code on the Chip:
AXDA2500DKV4D Y846678250315
AQXEA 0322SPAW

[mick]

Originally posted by X2C
Just got my 2500+ today. Put it in and went stright to 200x11 at default vcore fine. Runs 210x11 at default vcore fine as well.
Will run 220x11 at 1.7 vcore but not 100% stable :(
Still I'll just give it some time :D

Code on the Chip:
AXDA2500DKV4D Y846678250315
AQXEA 0322SPAW

sounds very simliar to mine - mines running at 205*11 at default vcore, 210 was a tad unstable (may need to raise the volts, dunno yet, havent had time to play aorund with it)

[ToiletDuck]

I've just got a Barton XP2500+ with a AQXEA 0322 stepping as well. I haven't had a chance to overclock it as I'm still waiting for the case (and psu).

Did anyone else’s have a little square of some stuff on the core? I gave it a little scratch to see if it would come off but it seems pretty firmly attached.

[soven]

sounds like the remainants of a thermal pad.

Where are all you guys getting the AQXEA stepping barton from? All retail box versions?

[SilverPriest]

Yup, bought it from Novapcpower in a retail package.

[nz_skater]

What temps do the Barton's run at compared to TbredB's. Any hotter/colder?

[Cons]

And say if you weren't going to overclock.. which one would you be buying? Say you were going to put it in a shuttle?

[Krucifier]

If you want a cpu for a shuttle then the lower clocked Barton core will be easier to cool because of its lower default voltage/clock speed.

I bought one a couple of days ago and have it running 3000+ under a crappy air cooler without any voltage tweaks. these things kick ass! It's an AQXEA stepping, didn't notice what week though. I got it from www.dradonpc.co.nz for under $200, I'll have to get a better fan and start pushing it, hoping for 2.3Mhz.

Gotta say these are a bargain, XP3000+ for less than half price, it'd be a waste of money buying anything else.