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Deviant
27-06-2002, 07:37 AM
It's a game of two halves
By INQwell staff, 26/06/2002 10:45:59 BST


OUR FRIENDS at c't magazine have a battle going on at their website right now.
The site has a dual Athlon 2GHz machine playing 55 matches of chess against a dual Xeon 2.4GHz box.

And readers can watch as Sanders and Grove originated boxes sweat it out over the Internet.

Of course, chess benchmarks tend to favour CPUs with the best branch prediction units. And we believe that the Athlon MP has a better set of these than the Intel boxes.

Nevertheless, we can hope for some unexpected action because "fuzzy logic" may intervene and upset the microprocessor applecart.

You can find the action here. µ
http://www.heise.de/ct/schachduell/

KingJackal
27-06-2002, 08:06 AM
Well - i think that was a win to the AMD.

Though they do nothing for ages, then tons happens in a blink or two, so it's kinda hard to tell ( cos the next game then starts immediately ) :confused: :eek:....

...wish I was that good.... :D

whetu
27-06-2002, 12:08 PM
amd - 12
intel - 7

hehe this is interesting :D

Deviant
27-06-2002, 03:07 PM
This mornig when I posted this it was 3-3, now its

AMD 15 vs Intel 9
Draws = 11

Deviant
27-06-2002, 03:30 PM
Intel come back with 2 in a row, score now AMD 15 vs Intel 11

dumass
27-06-2002, 04:36 PM
well, guess its time to throw out all the soccer world cup trash, time to get behind AMD, w00ts, go amd!!


I wonder what the scores would be like with the old durons/pentium 1 /2 /3's, celerons etc.

would be interesting to se the scores

Deviant
27-06-2002, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by dumass
well, guess its time to throw out all the soccer world cup trash, time to get behind AMD, w00ts, go amd!!


I wonder what the scores would be like with the old durons/pentium 1 /2 /3's, celerons etc.

would be interesting to se the scores

I have emailed them about that, to see if they could do the same with Celeron vs Duron and P4 vs XP.

Deviant
27-06-2002, 04:59 PM
16 vs 14, this is a big come back by Intel.

DiSCLAiMER
27-06-2002, 06:39 PM
I could be wrong, but it not only looks like a match between amd and intel, it also looks like a match between fritz and shredder, both of which I assume to be chess playing applications.

The game I looked at this morning, and just before had the amd and intel boxes both using a different application. So any advantage may also be because of one chess playing application being beter than the other.

On the site they have a matrix which once populated will be able to show us not only which is "better" between amd vs intel, but also between fritz vs shredder, and the best combination of cpu + software.

Deviant
27-06-2002, 07:08 PM
17-16 with 15 draws, they don't come any closer than this.

Tiggerz
27-06-2002, 08:02 PM
I don't think much of their software.

In game 51 black had a move for mate and didn't play it allowing white to move out of it.. 3 moves later and white promptly moved allowing black to play for mate. again it didn't take the move.

Software just seems to be playing for points rather that any kind of strategy I can see.

mird-OC
27-06-2002, 08:08 PM
yeah well, it is chess... and computers typically just suck at chess :)

Deviant
27-06-2002, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by Tiggerz
I don't think much of their software.

In game 51 black had a move for mate and didn't play it allowing white to move out of it.. 3 moves later and white promptly moved allowing black to play for mate. again it didn't take the move.

Software just seems to be playing for points rather that any kind of strategy I can see.

Actually Tiggerz, I thought I was the only one who could see better moves!! During the whole game? Now I'm good at chess, but not great, and I thought I could beat these guys, but then thought I must be missing something.

I have a old chess computer, (15 years old) and I recon it could beat these PC hands down.

Deviant
27-06-2002, 08:45 PM
Bloody hell, they give up when they are hardly loosing. I could take these puss nuts on.

Deviant
27-06-2002, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by mird-OC
yeah well, it is chess... and computers typically just suck at chess :)

Didn't the 'Big Blue' (a supercomputer) just beat the worlds grand master about 6-12 months ago for the first time?

mird-OC
27-06-2002, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Deviant
Didn't the 'Big Blue' (a supercomputer) just beat the worlds grand master about 6-12 months ago for the first time?
well yeah, but one (BIG) computer in however million there are out there hardly counts as "typical" ;)

Deviant
27-06-2002, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by mird-OC

well yeah, but one (BIG) computer in however million there are out there hardly counts as "typical" ;)

Not typical, but maybe the start of a new era.

Gh0s7 L3mUr
27-06-2002, 10:02 PM
I think computers are probably better suited to cheakers ;)

mird-OC
27-06-2002, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Gh0s7 L3mUr
I think computers are probably better suited to cheakers ;)
that's a bit optimistic :D

i'd say ummm... snap... or go fish... :D

2 much thinking
27-06-2002, 10:40 PM
score update.....

22 AMD vs. 19 intel


go AMD!!!!!!!!!!

I.R
27-06-2002, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Deviant


Didn't the 'Big Blue' (a supercomputer) just beat the worlds grand master about 6-12 months ago for the first time?

hehehehe.... that grand master got really pissed off and started claiming that IBM had written it's code specifically for his style of play :p

varkk
28-06-2002, 12:25 AM
24-21 to AMD, still close enoguh for it not to be significant, so I'll just go out on a limb and annoy fanboys on both sides..."There is no real performance difference overall between the two" :p


*runs for cover*

KingJackal
28-06-2002, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by varkk
24-21 to AMD, still close enoguh for it not to be significant, so I'll just go out on a limb and annoy fanboys on both sides..."There is no real performance difference overall between the two" :p


*runs for cover*

That would be a pro-AMD statement, then?

2.4GHz Xeon's vs ( cheaper and slower ) 2GHz MP's.....

;) ;) :p

Humantuckshop
28-06-2002, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by Gh0s7 L3mUr
I think computers are probably better suited to cheakers ;)


What the hell is a 'cheaker'? Do you mean checkers?


If so, King me baby. :p

Wibber
28-06-2002, 08:33 AM
*shoots HTS with an elvis ray*

dumass
28-06-2002, 10:49 AM
oh ohh, they are both on ritz now, intel is up 7 - 5

How does that table thing work on he bottem? thats jst confusing

varkk
28-06-2002, 10:55 AM
I think if it was in english it may be easier to understand...

Deviant
28-06-2002, 12:37 PM
Intel has opened up a can of whoop-@$$.

Intel leads Round two: 11 wins, 5 losses, 19 draws.

Gh0s7 L3mUr
28-06-2002, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Wibber
*shoots HTS with an elvis ray*

Thanks ;):D

DiSCLAiMER
28-06-2002, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by dumass
oh ohh, they are both on ritz now, intel is up 7 - 5

How does that table thing work on he bottem? thats jst confusing

Yea, I think there is two different chess playing applications, as mentioned earlier. So its unfair to compare say amd using chess application 1 vs intel using chess application 2. I'll ask my manager (who is fluent in german) to help translate it on Monday.

Geek4Life
28-06-2002, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by DiSCLAiMER


Yea, I think there is two different chess playing applications, as mentioned earlier. So its unfair to compare say amd using chess application 1 vs intel using chess application 2. I'll ask my manager (who is fluent in german) to help translate it on Monday.
they are pitching all possible combinations.
For example:

AMD Fritz vs. Intel Fritz
AMD Fritz vs. Intel Shredder
AMD Shredder vs. Intel Fritz
AMD Shredder vs. Intel Shredder