need some help - Gainward Geforce 4 ti 4200 64mb

[kaz]

hey my mate just purchased one of these babys (gainward geforce 4 ti4200 64mb)and he gave it to me for the week :) to use and it doesnt want to run at AGP 4x

it only wants to run at agp 2x

now the MOBO is a ASUS tuv4x
with a : VIA Apollo PRO 133A chipset

now i think this certain chip has problems with running 4x agp in windows xp but ive been looking all night for a fix or some way to make it work but i cant get 4x to go

now the mobo does support agp 4x , and ive alrdy tried setting the 4x mode in the bios

Agp Mode - 4x right now in bios

but in windows it says this

(picture of my Desktop showing the Powerstrip reading)
http://www.homepages.paradise.net.nz/winiataz/wtf.jpg


ive tried installing the 4in1 drivers from tweakxp.com but they didnt seem to work either

does anyone know where i might get a fix or anyone know how to fix this please :DDD

[I.R]

When you installed the drivers did you select "turbo" mode..... I didn't and I couldn't get 4x AGP....... I thought turbo mode was something to do with the installation :eek:

[Humantuckshop]

Well that's weird, is there a newer version of Powerstrip to download? Maybe it's not compatible with the Ti4600. Because you said you set it to 4X in BIOS - well what happens when you save changes in BIOS and reboot? Does the system function normally? My point is, maybe it is running @ AGP 4X and Powerstrip is full of ****.


Also, try a BIOS update for the mobo - if you haven't already, that is.

[mird-OC]

woops...

[kaz]

yep i tried quick install and normal install with the 4in1s


and ive tried updating power strip and even trying a completely different proggy and it says this with riva tuner

$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : VIA Apollo PRO 133A
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 1106 (VIA)
$0400000002 Device ID : 0691
$0400000003 AGP status : supported, enabled
$0400000004 AGP rate : 1x 2x supported, 2x selected
$0400000005 AGP SBA : supported, enabled
$0400000006 AGP FW : not supported
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 0253
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : AGP
$0000000005 AGP status : enabled
$0000000006 AGP rate : 1x 2x supported, 2x selected
$0000000007 AGP SBA : supported, enabled
$0000000008 AGP FW : supported, disabled
$0000000009 Base address 0 : ee000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : f0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : ef800000 (memory range)
$000000000c Base address 3 : none
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : none
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : NV25 revision A3
$0100000001 Bus type : AGP
$0100000002 Memory bus : 128-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR (RAM configuration 0a)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 65536KB
$0100000005 Core clock : 249.750MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 256.500MHz (513.000MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz
$0100000008 Maximum Fvco : 900.000MHz
$0100000009 Core PLL Fvco : 499.500MHz
$010000000a Memory PLL Fvco : 513.000MHz

[I.R]

Well I got that card so I'll d\l riva and see if it's a problem with the prog ;)

$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : VIA KT266 series
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 1106 (VIA)
$0400000002 Device ID : 3099
$0400000003 AGP status : supported, enabled
$0400000004 AGP rate : 1x 2x 4x supported, 4x selected :eek:
$0400000005 AGP SBA : supported, enabled
$0400000006 AGP FW : not supported
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 0253
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : AGP
$0000000005 AGP status : enabled
$0000000006 AGP rate : 1x 2x 4x supported, 4x selected :confused:
$0000000007 AGP SBA : supported, enabled
$0000000008 AGP FW : supported, disabled
$0000000009 Base address 0 : e4000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : d0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : d8000000 (memory range)
$000000000c Base address 3 : none
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : none
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : NV25 revision A3
$0100000001 Bus type : AGP
$0100000002 Memory bus : 128-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR (RAM configuration 0a)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 65536KB
$0100000005 Core clock : 249.750MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 256.500MHz (513.000MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz
$0100000008 Maximum Fvco : 900.000MHz
$0100000009 Core PLL Fvco : 499.500MHz
$010000000a Memory PLL Fvco : 513.000MHz

[mird-OC]

okay, the problem lies in some stability issues with AGP4X on the VIA Apollo Pro 133A chipset. AGP4X was kind of an after thought which was an included addition to the "A revision" of the VIA Apollo Pro 133 chipset, and it seems it wasn't thought out enough.

the problem is documented in the GeForceFAQ (http://www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.cgi) where it states (http://www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.cgi#sw:drv:agp4x) AGP4X is disabled in all the latest nvidia drivers for this specific chipset. sorry pal :)

you can however re-enable AGP4X (follow the instruction here (http://www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.cgi#sw:drv:agp4x)), but it may cause instability... if it does, try what's been suggested here (http://www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.cgi#hw:gef:troub:mbc:viaagp4xstable). otherwise, just use AGP2X and be done with it.

[kaz]

mmm damn

just wonder if this part should say 4x supported in riva tuner? as it could be the 3d card??

$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : VIA Apollo PRO 133A
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 1106 (VIA)
$0400000002 Device ID : 0691
$0400000003 AGP status : supported, enabled
$0400000004 AGP rate : 1x 2x supported, 2x selected
$0400000005 AGP SBA : supported, enabled
$0400000006 AGP FW : not supported
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 0253
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : AGP
$0000000005 AGP status : enabled
$0000000006 AGP rate : 1x 2x supported, 2x selected
$0000000007 AGP SBA : supported, enabled
$0000000008 AGP FW : supported, disabled
$0000000009 Base address 0 : ee000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : f0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : ef800000 (memory range)
$000000000c Base address 3 : none
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : none
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : NV25 revision A3
$0100000001 Bus type : AGP
$0100000002 Memory bus : 128-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR (RAM configuration 0a)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 65536KB
$0100000005 Core clock : 249.750MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 256.500MHz (513.000MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz
$0100000008 Maximum Fvco : 900.000MHz
$0100000009 Core PLL Fvco : 499.500MHz
$010000000a Memory PLL Fvco : 513.000MHz

[mird-OC]

at a guess i'd say rivatuner is querying the drivers and the drivers have disabled AGP4X, and that's why it's not showing up as supported.