TV4 to become music channel [Archive] - Overclockers NZ Forums

_N_

22-04-2003, 04:48 PM

New Zealand will soon have its own free-to-air music channel.

TV 4 intends to relaunch in October as a music network targeting 15 to 29 year olds.

The channel will air a music selection from 4pm to midnight Monday through Thursday, extending the shows to 1am in the weekends.

Managing director Rick Friesen believes it is an ideal strategy for the largely youth orientated network.

He says discussions with New Zealand on Air to help boost the kiwi music content have also been positive.

Daytime programming will continue as infomercials.

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Does this mean that there won't be any more south park, king of the hill, family guy???

Sounds pretty lame,
during the day they'll have infomercials, during the evenings they'll have music on,

I watch quite a lot of shows on TV4, what will happen to them?

I just hope it doesn't end up like MTV NZ and Max ended up.

What are you opinons on this??? (apart from, oh, I don't watch TV :rolleyes: )

Sydog

22-04-2003, 05:01 PM

It's probably because the shows they have on are for specific audiences. They have alot of cult shows as such and aren't getting the audience to make TV4 worthwhile.

I just don't bother with 4 anymore, sure it has SP and FG and other shows but I've already seen them and its a hassle finding out when they are on. It's all the crappy shows like the star trek (no offense treckies) ones and Buffy and all those crap Engrish comedies that noone seems to like :p and **** like that, then they have the old school A-Team and crap, it doesn't appeal to alot of people

NZSnake

22-04-2003, 05:17 PM

well if TV4 turns into a music channel then they will loose the rest of there audiance they should stick to "alternitave programming" its kept them going so far, if people wanted music channels then more people would be subscribed to Juice TV on sky :P

SerN

22-04-2003, 05:44 PM

It sucks!

Channel 4 is the main Sy-fi channel and also has all the cool oldie shows, Who's gonna watch crap music videos all evening for fun anyway? hmmm.....

dairyboy

22-04-2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by NZSnake
well if TV4 turns into a music channel then they will loose the rest of there audiance they should stick to "alternitave programming" its kept them going so far...

Obviously it hasnt been working for them 'so far'
the alternative programming is targeted at youth audiences, and so is the music.
Im stoaked, now ill have a reason to tune in to channel 4
But i hope they play some decent music. About time we had a free music tv station (again).

Mr. T

22-04-2003, 07:14 PM

Bah! I'm going to miss my spacies :(

"Music channel" is generally just a nice way of saying "porn for 12 year olds" anyway.

Maybe I'm just too cynical.

TB_

22-04-2003, 07:16 PM

The issue is that TV3 and Tv4 are leaking money, they simply are not aming cash as more and more people are turning them off. Despite what Tv3 says, TV3 News isnt new Zealand favorite, and their wed night line up sure as hell aint. TV3/TV4 is desperate to get some cash in and they'll try anything they can.

_N_

22-04-2003, 07:45 PM

well, on that note,

I've been watching more and more Prime TV, cause they are getting better, like the other night they had wayne's world 1 & 2 on, while the other channel's had some fairytale princess story.. :)

are there any free satellite channel's that can be accesed from NZ? apart from the free UHF and VHF ones we can already see, cause the way sky digital works here in NZ is just greedy.

sparkles

22-04-2003, 08:14 PM

well i never thought that i'd hear myself say this, but i'm actually watching more and more tv1. :o

shows like coupling and teachers (on tonight, WATCH IT!!!) are really really funny... imho some of the best telly on at the moment - apart from scrubs of course :D

tv4 doesn't really appeal at the moment, but a music channel it sure as hell does. so long as it's not like juice! i accept that there are a number of heathens throughout nz who wish to listen to poppy pap, and that's cool. if they are going to do the mtv thing, please for gods sake split the night into categories. juice drives me bonkers having britney spears one minute, and then metallica on after it... :rolleyes:

dice

22-04-2003, 09:18 PM

I heard that this dice guy has this site which walks you through getting SKY on your computer, and if you PM him he gives you the URL - though this could be a rumor...

Anyways, I love music videos, bring it on. :)

..x-saer..

22-04-2003, 09:27 PM

heehee ;)

Well, i felt that it was a sad day for NZ TV when MTV left.. hopefully TV4 will become the new zealand MTV!!
Remember though, that TV4 is falling on hard times at the moment, so guess what music they are going to be playing? Whatever will give them the most watchers (and money). If that means that it will be horrible, horrible pop.....

varkk

22-04-2003, 11:28 PM

Well I don't think it is gonna work, M2 just died, it was trying to achieve the same thing although at different hours. About the only music channel in NZ that I have heard of lasting was CRY in chch back in the mid 90's.

NZSnake

22-04-2003, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by TB_
The issue is that TV3 and Tv4 are leaking money, they simply are not aming cash as more and more people are turning them off. Despite what Tv3 says, TV3 News isnt new Zealand favorite, and their wed night line up sure as hell aint. TV3/TV4 is desperate to get some cash in and they'll try anything they can.

tv 3 and 4 is owned by a canadian company...... you do the math

Geek4Life

23-04-2003, 12:00 AM

It could be good. Though would be better to have it during the day. I like music in the day time.

Also no-pop.

NZSnake

23-04-2003, 12:15 AM

add another "o" to "pop" and you get "poop"

p01s0n_p1e

23-04-2003, 01:48 AM

are you *****ig about the tatu videos?

i dont mind pop, it just sorta sits in the background if you ignore it- but what i do hate is black rap, im not trying to be rascist.

all black rap music vids are the same, some guy in a baseball cap slightly shifted to the side, a big hanging down basketball shirt, baggy shorts and white skate shoes- randomly flinging his arms up and down whilst his hands make the "west side" sign.

then at the same time they either "sing" about
a)growing up in a rough neighborhood
b) ****ing you up if you walk into the same continent as them
c) being bling

when in reality
a) they probably went to a private school
b)they are surrounded by body guards
c)if they didnt make this stupid video they wouldnt be bling

then they have a group of chicks in tight leather shaking ass and jiggling boobs- which is quite appeasing- apart from the fact they all like like total *****es.

im done

NZSnake

23-04-2003, 03:27 AM

i completely agree with ya :D i dunno about you but whats even worse than that is the white trash teenage boy racers who drive around in there cr@pped out skylines with there oversized spoilers listing to the stuff so loud that it makes standing next to a air raid siren sound like a mice squeaking, and then when they arent doing that, they have to sit around acting like the rap artists :rolleyes: me and my mates have deemed those type of white trash upper middle class teenage boys and girls as "Skatie Homie F@ggots" (no offence ment towards any group of people who are not like them but may feel offended) it is rather fitting, we have many amusing videos of people like the Skatie Homies crashing into stuff and injuring themselfs because of there own stupid fault (we have this one of a guy trying to ollie over a fire hydrant, well he fails and goes crutch first into the hydrant), its amaizing what you can find on kazaa isint it?

MoNk

23-04-2003, 03:33 AM

Skatie bashing, gay bashing, nigger bashing. Woo what a thread :rolleyes:

Joshsti_NZ

23-04-2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by p01s0n_p1e
are you *****ig about the tatu videos?

i dont mind pop, it just sorta sits in the background if you ignore it- but what i do hate is black rap, im not trying to be rascist.

all black rap music vids are the same, some guy in a baseball cap slightly shifted to the side, a big hanging down basketball shirt, baggy shorts and white skate shoes- randomly flinging his arms up and down whilst his hands make the "west side" sign.

then at the same time they either "sing" about
a)growing up in a rough neighborhood
b) ****ing you up if you walk into the same continent as them
c) being bling

when in reality
a) they probably went to a private school
b)they are surrounded by body guards
c)if they didnt make this stupid video they wouldnt be bling

then they have a group of chicks in tight leather shaking ass and jiggling boobs- which is quite appeasing- apart from the fact they all like like total *****es.

im done

Totally with you p1e, I absolutely HATE those ****ing videos.

_N_

23-04-2003, 09:25 AM

Fully agree with you,

chances are, that only 20% of music will be of interest to me, so I probably won't watch it, :)

Iblis

23-04-2003, 10:06 AM

My only contribution to this 'off-topic' bit at the end here is this: nothing makes me laugh out loud till I puke like seeing some Kiwi dudes walk around like they're "hard" and "strapped", when in reality, their mother is at home ironing their underwear. I really wish these guys would wake up to the fact that, #1: they are cloning another culture which is completely different, and, #2: They wouldn't last 2 minutes in NY or LA. I hope they like being shot at.

sparkles

23-04-2003, 10:10 AM

then maybe canwest should employ the broadcasting school students here in chch behind the current student station (can't remember the name...).

they seem to repeat music a bit, but they have actually got me listening to the radio again :eek:

Joshsti_NZ

23-04-2003, 10:24 AM

ktulu

23-04-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Iblis
My only contribution to this 'off-topic' bit at the end here is this: nothing makes me laugh out loud till I puke like seeing some Kiwi dudes walk around like they're "hard" and "strapped", when in reality, their mother is at home ironing their underwear. I really wish these guys would wake up to the fact that, #1: they are cloning another culture which is completely different, and, #2: They wouldn't last 2 minutes in NY or LA. I hope they like being shot at.

ok, for a start, I can't stand the music. I also find it funny that these little kids emulate the American blacks... but then it's not surprising considering that Black Americans have been engineered to be "cool" and sold in large volumes to children devoid of "cool" culture.
It's all a marketing ploy and as such, should never be taking seriously anyway.
As for your comment about surviving in NY or LA... there's places in NZ that they wouldn't last 5 minutes.
I'm originally from "up North" and even I've had a sawn off shot gun held to my head (not as a joke btw)... and there's plenty of dodgy stuff going on all the time (holding peoples hands on red hot elements was all the rage years ago... I have no idea what the go is now tho... don't tend to hang in those circles anymore).

Sydog

23-04-2003, 12:31 PM

I predominantly listen to hip-hop, but d you see me bashing stuff like metallica or slipknot or whatever crap you guys like.
Sure it may have the odd dude rapping with a baseball cap and waving his arms around, but i never see ones with guys confused about their gender, wearing black facepaint with a number of peircings screaming at the top of their lungs about killing people, contemplating suicide and other weird ****.

Anyone who knows me will say i don't come across as " white trash teenage boy racers". FFS I have a 85' sunny. **** i've been listing to the stuff for years, I've got stuff 99% of the county hasen't heard of. i just like the music but I don't try to mimic black culture in the US.

Anyway off to doa memtest

TheChosen_1

23-04-2003, 02:40 PM

As long as they incorporate a whole mixture of different kind of music. I just hope some techno music vids are going to be on, ill be happy, me being a trance/techno whore :D

Joshsti_NZ

23-04-2003, 03:57 PM

Don't get me wrong here .. I think my post is a bit misleading, which is my fault :p.

I do like some black r&b/rap - Jay Z and Ja Rule, mostly because they have some styley duets with other folk.

Its just the wankers that have the old baseball turned sideways who have big fat black sluts in skimpy bikinis who "sing" about absolute bull**** like drugs and poppin' caps in other peoples asses, now that kind of music/rap which seems to make up at least 70% of what vids are played on tv is what really pisses me off, its just lame, I prefer to listen to quality music, not something is mimicked around the world by the bling bling black community.

And no, I am not a racist.

Iblis

23-04-2003, 07:01 PM

....I am sitting right now wearing no clothes, because my mother didnt iron my boxer shorts with the fake penis printed on them. LOL :D
It's all a marketing ploy and as such, should never be taking seriously anyway. It should if they want to start doing drive-bys. And because they think lack of respect for people and their property is "cool". I chased a kid off with a steel bar in my hand because he was sitting behind where I work, and decided that my hood[er, bonnet] made a nice chair. :mad:
And no, I am not a racist. I didn't see anything in your post that was even remotely racist. It is also misperceived in America that if you criticize these disrespectful wankers you're being "racist", no matter how you say it. It's not racist, it's criticizing bad parenting skills.
BTW, in what I can't explain and will probably come off as hypocritical, I love rap music and even some of the gansta rap. If you listen closely enough, most of them are expressing remorse and disgust for their (pre-making-music)lifestyle, which most punkass kids don't hear, they just think it's all about glamorizing being "hard".

whetu

23-04-2003, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Iblis
I didn't see anything in your post that was even remotely racist. It is also misperceived in America that if you criticize these disrespectful wankers you're being "racist", no matter how you say it. It's not racist, it's criticizing bad parenting skills.

that applies for nz and the maori as well :rolleyes: look at kiri te kanawa's comments a couple of months back... it made quite an uproar, but at the end of the day it is HER opinion which she is more than entitled to. Was it Martin Crowe who said maori couldnt play cricket very well (he justified it, but was still labelled racist)

As for the ones walking around our streets thuggin it, slangin and bangin tricks and hoes *chuckles* I am amused by their blind devotion to a very glamorised version of a particular american lifestyle, and even more when they acuse you of being racist or anything like that because of their colour. (the "is it cos i is black?" attitude)

I had a disagreement with one of them.. he told me in a very bro way that I didnt understand maori culture at all, to which i replied "ko wai to ingoa?" (means "what is your name?") which immediately shut him up, and to rub it in I followed with "ko rawiri taku ingoa" ("my name is rawiri") Anyway, by this time my older brother had got sick of watching and knocked the guy the **** out.

The point is, it is saddening that a lot of maori youth out there are shunning their own culture and picking up on the "wicky wicky scratch yoyo bang bang fresh cowboy from the westside" tehe cartman rocks. Then again this isnt helped by the loss of elders that occurred during dubya dubya two and the losses incurred by the maori battallion.

varkk

23-04-2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Sydog
I predominantly listen to hip-hop, but d you see me bashing stuff like metallica or slipknot or whatever crap you guys like.
Sure it may have the odd dude rapping with a baseball cap and waving his arms around, but i never see ones with guys confused about their gender, wearing black facepaint with a number of peircings screaming at the top of their lungs about killing people, contemplating suicide and other weird ****.

*Hides Metallica CD case, puts on a sweatshirt to cover up the Tool T-shirt, and stops the Nirvana CD from playing* "I don't know what your talking about" :D

But anyway, I know heaps of people who drive try-hard-hotted-up cars, listen to rap, and generally think they are hard gangstars. Most of these people come from/live in Parklands here in Chch, I think there may be something in the water.

I just hope TV4 get's it right with the music vids, although I think they should go later than midnight/1am that they are proposing.

"Ah screw it" *starts cranking some Sisters of Mercy*

Gh0s7 L3mUr

23-04-2003, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by varkk
*Hides Metallica CD case, puts on a sweatshirt to cover up the Tool T-shirt, and stops the Nirvana CD from playing* "I don't know what your talking about" :D

But anyway, I know heaps of people who drive try-hard-hotted-up cars, listen to rap, and generally think they are hard gangstars. Most of these people come from/live in Parklands here in Chch, I think there may be something in the water.

I just hope TV4 get's it right with the music vids, although I think they should go later than midnight/1am that they are proposing.

"Ah screw it" *starts cranking some Sisters of Mercy*

hehe

You be me to it.
I don't see how they think this is going to succeed. No other national free to air music channel has. Why because you can't please everyone.
Even Juice isn't popular, but as part of a pay tv network they can AFFORD to keep it going. Nearly everyone I know who has access to it only surfs to it and if there is a clip they like they will stop and then continue surfing. If the clip they are playing isn't liked then next channel is flicked to.
I don't see how that can be profittable. If anything they need to go further down the track of Alternative TV, replay back of the Y, Show Jackass, all the good alternative cartoons, Pinch Coupling from Channel 1, etc, etc. Do all the things the other networks are too scared to do.

Iblis

23-04-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Gh0s7 L3mUr
Even Juice isn't popular, but as part of a pay tv network they can AFFORD to keep it going. Nearly everyone I know who has access to it only surfs to it and if there is a clip they like they will stop and then continue surfing. If the clip they are playing isn't liked then next channel is flicked to.

You forgot the "13yo girl" phenomenon. It normally answers questions that baffle deeply logical minds like: "How the hell do the Backstreet Boys sell 10 million records? I don't know ANYONE who owns one!" Yep, that's right, take a back seat if you're male or over 20, because modern pop culture media is geared toward who buys the most crap that is most easily marketed, the "13yo girl" with her pocket money. It'll show Britney Spears and Eminem videos, evry 5 minute on the dot. :p

NZSnake

23-04-2003, 09:05 PM

what happend to the good old days when kids went out and brought Comic Books with there pocket money? *hits himself on the head* thats right! thats when parents actually gave a damn about what there kids were doing!

Geek4Life

23-04-2003, 09:55 PM

Yeah it sure is all based on 13yo girls and what there rich daddy's will buy them.:mad:

Whats really bad is when something is seemed as rather good. Then the 13yo girl hears it somewhere. Gets it. Then this persons younger sisters are listening to it. Then next thing there even younger cousin is listening to it.

Now that ends up with my little sister (7yo) listening to Eminem all the time:mad:

dice

23-04-2003, 10:18 PM

I also find Rap better, because it isn't BS. Like, they write their own songs (artists I listen to) and I think have more talent than the common drummer with dreads, bass guy and guitar.
Of course, this makes me a wigga. :p
But like, meh.

O'Neill

23-04-2003, 11:27 PM

continuing on with the 13yo girl theory you see too many of them and even younger girls dressed like mini sluts now day all looking like Christina or britneys latest video
It used to be hard enough to work out what was legal booty when I used to do the colombo run now its impossible to tell the 12yos from the 17yos

_N_

23-04-2003, 11:48 PM

>>impossible to tell the 12yos from the 17yos

I find that the younger they are, the sluttier they look, :D :rolleyes: :cool: :eek:

p01s0n_p1e

24-04-2003, 01:03 AM

at least with 13yo girls fads die quickly.
especially with the "one-hit wonder" songs/artists.

i mean, how often do you hear that stupid las ketchup song? or that dumb "barbie girl" song?

the only problem is there is always one thing equally or more annoying to replace them, and the cycle continues.

its kinda annoying seeing kids the age you once were doing things you never would have done and taking things you could only have dreamed of for granted.

just the other day two (what i would estimate 7 years old) boys were walking through my department at new world and one told his mum to "**** off, those taste like ****".

7!!

NZSnake

24-04-2003, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by p01s0n_p1e
just the other day two (what i would estimate 7 years old) boys were walking through my department at new world and one told his mum to "**** off, those taste like ****".

in acient times if children didnt respect there elders they used to get stoned
from that i see a few advantages

1) it would get rid of the "me" generation
2) it would help solve the worlds pollution/overcrowding problem
and
3) it would be easier to get a parking space in town :)

enough said, im off to bed :cool:

Geek4Life

24-04-2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by NZSnake
in acient times if children didnt respect there elders they used to get stoned
from that i see a few advantages

Usually they are getting stoned because they don't respect their elders.... depends on the elders though:D

whetu

24-04-2003, 02:03 AM

if i wasnt in work uniform and thus most likely to be fired by doing so, i woulda clipped that little **** around the ear

then again the kids parents are as much to blame.. its inevitable that the kid will swear in his/her life, but the ideals of respect and accepting discipline for negative actions should still be taught - i would never swear at my parents unless i was really pissed/upset... i can count the times i've sworn in front of them on one hand

not enough people these days are responsible.. everyone should be raised to realise that every action has a consequence, be it positive or negative.. oh wells

NZSnake

24-04-2003, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Geek4Life
Usually they are getting stoned because they don't respect their elders.... depends on the elders though:D

good point, i was sortof leaning towards the idea of getting stones thrown at them until they die... or not (See Monty Pythons: Life of Brian for more information) :p

Iblis

24-04-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by whetu
not enough people these days are responsible.. everyone should be raised to realise that every action has a consequence, be it positive or negative.. oh wells
That's exactly what it comes down to. There are a few exceptions, but the general rule is, parents who have no respect beget children who have no respect. That, and if they are respectful, they're too busy getting drunk or something else to actually raise their children.

_N_

24-04-2003, 11:00 AM

not even getting drunk, but some parents just work too much,

the reason why there are so many "thinks-he-owns-the-world" type kids around cause it's not ok to smack kids like they use to in the old days, the reason is cause some people used it as an excuse to do other things, but look at what you got now, loads of smartmouths thinking they know it all.
The society we live in is getting pretty crap, if you feel like making someone's life a hell, you can go out, hire a lawyer and waste their time. For example, before if two kids were playing and one ended up braking an arm, nothing much would happen, but today, they will take to lawyers for mental damages occured... and so on.....:rolleyes:

ktulu

24-04-2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by O'Neill
continuing on with the 13yo girl theory you see too many of them and even younger girls dressed like mini sluts now day all looking like Christina or britneys latest video
It used to be hard enough to work out what was legal booty when I used to do the colombo run now its impossible to tell the 12yos from the 17yos

damn dude... you make that sound liek a bad thing ;)

MR_60

24-04-2003, 11:48 AM

hey hey keep it legal guys ;) I mean 12yo booty might look hot nowadays but the implications could be nasty... :D think of all the britney albums you might be subjected to...

on the hitting thing -- I don't think you need to hit kids to teach them 'respect'. the problem is that nowadays, you don't automatically get respect by being 'older' or 'wiser' - you need to earn respect, even from younger people.

this will take some time to adjust to, but I think once adjustments are made in parenting mentality, kids will behave again...

The other piece of the puzzle is spoilt brats who get everythign they whine about...

It starts in the cot, when baby screams and carries on, and mama comes running in, oh god, I hope baby's OK, then baby learns that to get instant attention and care, and whatever they want, all baby has to do is scream. THis carries on thru and viola, instant brat... where as if mama had ignored the screams (or subtly checked baby hadn't suffered some serious head injury or whatever) baby would learn not to whinge all the darn time.

my 2c ;o) On topic, I think TV4 going all music sucks. I agree that more alternative would be the wtg, JACKASS HO!

Iblis

24-04-2003, 11:52 AM

Hooney

24-04-2003, 12:03 PM

I skate quite a bit and because of this I tend to see quite a lot of younger kids. Something that I've noticed is that these little kids not only have no respect but also no fear. When I was young I was afraid of big kids or adults because you could easily get beaten up by them. Kids these days know that you can't lay a finger on them no matter how smart they get or how infuriatingly annoying they can be. There was a case of little kids yesterday constantly trying to steal stuff when everyones back was turned and you can do nothing to stop them.
I've just become a parent myself and I've really starting to notice the shortcomings of some peoples parenting skills for the first time.

Anyway back on topic. i probably would watch a music channel provided it wasn't constantly top 10 rubbish all day long. I have sky but Juice seems to miss stuff that I'd lisen to, one channel pop garbage from the present and the other channel pop garbage from 20 years ago that my parents would probably enjoy.

MR_60

24-04-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Iblis
You are right in a sense, but the way some of them treat complete strangers, there must be a minimum level of respect for person and property. From what I see, that is just not there.

True, true. Is a sense of 'right' and 'wrong' (morality) built in, do you think, or does need to be taught? It's an interesting question and raises thought about whether some genetic change is responsible for behavioural problems that kids suffer from today... or purely parenting style and culture immersion? Wonder if the next gen (woohoo my future children ;) ) will be so lacking in respect of person and property...

whetu

24-04-2003, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by MR_60
on the hitting thing -- I don't think you need to hit kids to teach them 'respect'. the problem is that nowadays, you don't automatically get respect by being 'older' or 'wiser' - you need to earn respect, even from younger people.

this will take some time to adjust to, but I think once adjustments are made in parenting mentality, kids will behave again...

The other piece of the puzzle is spoilt brats who get everythign they whine about...

i dont think you need to hit kids at all. smacking yes, hitting no (a smack is open hand on the backside or back of the head, face is just wrong, a hit is a closed hand, anyone who hits a child needs a pickaxe attached to their skull). it teaches them that negative actions have negative consequences. I do agree however about respect not being automatic -
"respect is not gained out of fear, it is earnt through trust and compassion"

as for brats.. omg tell me about it... i used to live with a family and the two GROWN kids were spoilt brats... one was 20 and the other 17, and whenever we went shopping they would literally skip around the supermarket throwing all kinds of uneccessary junk into the trolley.. and not once did their stupid mum say "do you need that?"

i'd like to add to my statement about the lack of teaching realisation of consequences the following:

not enough kids are being taught to determine the difference between needs and wants.

then again.. easy for me to say.. i'm not a daddy yet... its like the dr spock situation - he released a book saying "you dont need to smack, positive reinforcement is all you need" then he actually had children and completely changed his opinion :rolleyes: but too late, the damage was done (this is back in the 50s/60's IIRC)

Iblis

24-04-2003, 12:38 PM

I haven't forgotten my days when I was a crazy, fearless kid on a suicidal road to nowhere, but I don't remember ever displaying blatant disrespect for anyone without knowing them well enough. Fearing sounding repetitive, I think it's the parents who raise them. My parents were hard and mean, but probably in the end saved me from being a burned out junkie holding up liquor stores.

EpItHeT_B1TcH

24-04-2003, 07:37 PM

I think a lot of you guys are getting this music channel wrong.

It will basically be made up largely of new Zealand and music, and it isn't going to be entirely commercial either, as in, not a **** load of black rappers (i love your description pie...).

The chances of it running weekdays 4 till midnight for a long time are kinda low. There is a lot of opposition to the running times already, and the weekend times, they will prolly go later than 1 in future.

Meh, here's a press release....

TV4 TO BE RE-LAUNCHED AS MUSIC CHANNEL
TV4 is to be re-launched later this year as a youth oriented
music channel.
The channel, operated by 3 owners CanWest New Zealand, will
feature music shows aimed at 15-29 year olds.
“After considerable analysis of the options for taking TV4
forward, we have settled on a music format as the ideal strategy
for the channel,” said 3/TV4 Managing Director Rick Friesen.
“We have identified this as a niche opportunity in the market –
providing youth oriented music programming on a free-to-air
broadcast platform.
“New Zealand music will play a key role on the channel, and
discussions with New Zealand On Air about their support for it
have been very positive. TVNZ’s decision to can their overnight
music show M2 has made this opportunity even more appropriate,”
Mr Friesen said.
The channel will broadcast live from dedicated TV4 studios in
Auckland from 4pm until midnight (Monday to Thursday) and 4pm
until 1am (Friday and Saturday).
“This format is what we will launch with, and obviously we have
the ability to extend these hours as demand grows,” Mr Friesen
said.
Off-peak broadcast on TV4 will continue to be made up of the
current mix of infomercials and other commercial activity.
The live nature of the channel will also require additional
staff to TV4’s current staffing.
CanWest New Zealand’s radio stations will also have a key
involvement in the music channel.
“We fully intend to tap into the considerable expertise our
colleagues in radio have in relation to music targeted to this
age group. The Edge and Channel Z in particular will be stations
which will have a close working relationship with the new format
TV4,” Mr Friesen said.
The change in format is planned to take place in October.