[OCNZ] Purge

[Binky Stunt Cat]

[covering arse]
PLEASE NOTE: This is a DISCUSSION airing some opinions that various clan members have. This will not affect that clan as it is at the moment, but is to allow people to air their concerns.
[/covering arse]

At the prompting of some other members, and after witnessing a brief discussion on the DC Hub, I'm putting the motion forward that Clan membership be based on participation, gaming, forum, or otherwise, rather than saying "i wanna join"

Signees:
BinkyStuntCat (of course)

[KingJackal]

I disagree.

[OCNZ] is NOT a pro gaming clan. Read the main thread if you don't believe me.

The BF1942 section can be run differently - but that's the BF1942 section, not the whole clan. I'm sure there are several members that you won't see gaming a whole lot, but do attend clans using the tag, and do read the forums.

[NNA2m]

Hey, if they're not participating then you don't have to worry about them using [OCNZ] anyway, right? :D

[Sydog]

Originally posted by KingJackal
I disagree.

[OCNZ] is NOT a pro gaming clan. Read the main thread if you don't believe me.

Even more reason to doing this, it's much more fun in games and everything else if the clan isn't full of people you don't even know/heard of

but do attend clans using the tag, and do read the forums.

i think you meant to say lans.
And if they attend lans, why is there a necessity to be in OCNZ.

Really what we are trying to do is try to return OCNZ back to what it was a year or so ago, (around the time people started to use the OCNZ tag), back then if you saw a member with OCNZ in front of their name you knew who it was as all the people that used the tag were active on the forums.

Now if you goto lans or play games or whore the DC hubs, there will be people using the OCNZ tag that you or anyone else also that are on the forums even know who the hell they are.

These are the people who just want to be part of OCNZ for use as a gaming clan and not a community of enthusiasts

[KingJackal]

Dude, I played using the [OCNZ] tag for an ENTIRE YEAR WITHOUT SEEING ONE OTHER ONE OF YOU GUYS.

Why? Cos I was playing RTCW, and you weren't. So just because you haven't heard of these people doesn't mean jack.

Even more reason to doing this, it's much more fun in games and everything else if the clan isn't full of people you don't even know/heard of

You trying to make me laugh? Dude, the fact that it's not a pro clan is a big reason NOT to cull. People have lives. Sure they like to play with others they know - but they may get busy at work, or GET A LIFE ( omg :eek: ), and not get online much for a month or few.

We had a guy like that in our Wolf clan - he worked 10-hour days 7 days a week for 4 months, then just 'appeared' again. It happens - the fact that a lot of these guys aren't spamming threads at an insane pace doens't mean much at all.

Studies by Jenny Preece and Blair Nonnecke from Baltimore university indicate that lurkers ( those that read, but don't post ) tend to make up 70-90% of those in online forums. As such, there are likely to be a lot of people in the clan that:
- read the forums
- play using the [OCNZ] tag a lot
- know all of us pretty well
....but who you don't know at all. It's natural that you don't know everyone. I mean, you've already named a few individuals on DC++ that you think should go - all of which I disagree with.

Those guys are lurkers. Sure they don't have postcount++, but they're certainely not people that have just put their name on a list then dissappeared.

A clan purge will cause a burst of 'need postcount' spamming, and generally just piss a lot of people off. Maintaining the clan in a more active way like this will also just increase the work load involved with bothering with the clan at all - I dont' think you understand how much work it would be to properly run a clan with over 80 members. Having been around pro clan scenes a lot, and knowing a lot of >OB< / dINFw, I can tell you that with large clans, big efforts to purge lurkers/shy members is not the answer.

[-=DEI[]v[]OS=-]

Well I for one don't play online much.....but when I do I'd like to play under the [OCNZ] guise. While I don't want to see the "clan" become a formal thing, I wouldn't mind it being restricted to those who are active and have meaningful input into this community.

$0.02

[sparkles]

omg- kj has actually been paying attention in lectures!!! ;)

what was it, last week that we were talking (=interrogating) jenny about lurkers....

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by sparkles
omg- kj has actually been paying attention in lectures!!! ;)

what was it, last week that we were talking (=interrogating) jenny about lurkers....

D@MNIT, now I'll have to hunt you down and KI-.... err, find out who you are.... :mad:

REVEAL THYSELF, F00!

[Sydog]

Originally posted by KingJackal
Why? Cos I was playing RTCW, and you weren't. So just because you haven't heard of these people doesn't mean jack.

And because they play RTCW it excuses them from having to actually be a "part" of these forums in order to use the tag of a forum?


[/B]You trying to make me laugh? Dude, the fact that it's not a pro clan is a big reason NOT to cull. People have lives. Sure they like to play with others they know - but they may get busy at work, or GET A LIFE ( omg :eek: ), and not get online much for a month or few.[/B]

It's not these people I am concerned about, people like John Styles, who doesn't post on these forums much at all, but most people around here know who he is and you wouldn't see anyone complain about him using the tag. If they say, signed up, maybe posted one post in say the OCNZ clan thread, then NEVER posted again in months yet showed up playing a number of games with the OCNZ tag noone would know who the hell they are, except for people who know him personally.

Studies by Jenny Preece and Blair Nonnecke from Baltimore university indicate that lurkers ( those that read, but don't post ) tend to make up 70-90% of those in online forums. As such, there are likely to be a lot of people in the clan that:
- read the forums
- play using the [OCNZ] tag a lot
- know all of us pretty well

These people would be in the clear, the fact that they read the forums would mean that if challenged to show they are active they could, I am talking about the people who aren't active members, the people that if you ask them who they are when approached online that don't respond pretending they didn't see it.

....but who you don't know at all. It's natural that you don't know everyone. I mean, you've already named a few individuals on DC++ that you think should go - all of which I disagree with.

I didn't say that, they were just a few names off the top of my head, although someone of which played online on BF before even knowing what OCNZ meant or even know about the site were using the tag.

[/B]Those guys are lurkers. Sure they don't have postcount++, but they're certainely not people that have just put their name on a list then dissappeared.[/B]

If they lurk then this is their chance to prove they are really around. I know of at least onw person who has put their name on the list and semi-disappeared, he will never read this post as with the majority of the forum.

[/QUOTE][/B]A clan purge will cause a burst of 'need postcount' spamming, and generally just piss a lot of people off. Maintaining the clan in a more active way like this will also just increase the work load involved with bothering with the clan at all - I dont' think you understand how much work it would be to properly run a clan with over 80 members. Having been around pro clan scenes a lot, and knowing a lot of >OB< / dINFw, I can tell you that with large clans, big efforts to purge lurkers/shy members is not the answer. [/B][/QUOTE]

OCNZ isn't a gaming clan, it (in my eyes) is a community of enthusiasts which over the time I've been a member has split into people that are/were forum members, and gamers whose primary reason for registering at these boards is to use the tag online.

If I wasn't part of these forums I wouldn't be in the clan, I would however be in a different more organized clan, but because of the community we have here I wouldn't switch for anything.

[shag]

Well I for one don't play online much.....but when I do I'd like to play under the [OCNZ] guise. While I don't want to see the "clan" become a formal thing, I wouldn't mind it being restricted to those who are active and have meaningful input into this community.

I kinda think along those lines too. But it's not an easy thing to police - yucky! starting to sound formal.

To me the OCNZ thing is more than just a forum or online shop. It's a comunity and an attitude. Thats what people should be a part of to have that next to their name. Not just someone who has read the forum, signed up and asked 1 or 2 questions...

I guess as long as someone has contributed to the forums or comunity in someway, someware along the lines, all is good :cool:

[Mashed_Penguin]

I think that it is important to a degree to know who the people are who are in a clan. No matter how informal it is. Mainly because if you use the tag you are representing OCNZ. If someone is abusive, cheats etc that will reflect badly on OCNZ as a whole. I'm not saying that this has been a problem just that it could become one.

[KingJackal]

But if you were to verify members, HOW?

And no, replies in a thread like this is unacceptable. Even I only read a small portion of what's written in these forums - I probably miss 60% of the stuff that goes on, let alone somebody with a lower profile. Missing one thread is too easy.

I can't PM them all - some might have turned PM's off. I can't email them all - a lot of people sign up for forums using their spam accounts. :confused:

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[ktulu]

Stupid idea... you're taking it far too seriously and that's not what this is about.

Originally posted by Sydog
And if they attend lans, why is there a necessity to be in OCNZ.


beacuse seating arrangements at large LANs is usually based around clan membership :rolleyes:

[fatsanchez]

Originally posted by ktulu
Stupid idea... you're taking it far too seriously and that's not what this is about.



word. :D

[Geek4Life]

Originally posted by -NiBbLeT-
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because they do READ the forums and like to read it in the way they choose:
so many posts per page
threads per page
certain people blocked

and things like that.

[Joshsti_NZ]

Originally posted by fatsanchez
word. :D

+1 :D

Hasn't this debate been done, done, done and done (by shag x2) again?

I mean, as KJ said its not a PRO clan, I mean ffs, sure n00bs **** it up and make us look like gits sometimes, but its themselves they're making a fool of .. not the rest of us, well most of us :rolleyes:.

Moooove on .. *sings*

[Binky Stunt Cat]

I'm all for the Deimos Plan :p

[[H]arls]

Ok ok, plan B...

If you are playing in a game where anyone using the tag TKs on purpose, is a complete unknown, a smacktard or refuses to help when its well within their power to do so and would benefit the team as a whole:

Step 1) Get their IP addy and handle

Step 2) Commando raid their ISP to get their physical address (extra points awarded for removing these f**king bandwidth caps while you're there)

Step 3) PM me their address.

Step 4) I'll drive there, break both their legs, cut off their mouse fingers and set their PC's on fire.

Step 5) I will hunt down anyone they ever loved and make them suffer for my anguish at having been humiliated by a non-ocnz'er wearing the tag making an ass of himself.



...The doctor says I have a lot of pent up anger...

[Antallica]

My mate Oxide joined so he could be apart of out 'l33t' clan... I told him to view/post regurlarly or I break his legs (or strip his motorbike for parts ;) ).

But far out man, just leave it as it is. :rolleyes:

[Tiggerz]

I think personally that if you have an online community as OCNZ is, that people whom use that monica should actually be active members in that community.

Otherwise people are freeloading off of the community.

Personally, what you actually have is a trademark and as such it should really be protected community wise.

My suggestion is that OCNZ should be used by active members of the forum, those that dissappear for a few months, or are lurkers in disguise really should remove the monica from their tags if during the period they are not active.

The idea as I see it is to use the OCNZ monica to develop a sense of community from active participation. If you are not willing to participate or are taking time out due to other commitments, you really need to be asking your self if you are still part of that community..

Having just said that, there is no reason after having had a long time out from the forum and then re-joining it again that one could not re-start using the monica.

I just think that it should only be used whilst actively participating in the community.

[Goose]

I personally don't have a problem with the state of clan, but I think that those members that do have a problem with the [OCNZ] clan should hold a re-subscription.. get the clan members to resign up and then give the list to KJ to update.

This way you will capture those currently 'active' members and anyone else that wants to sign up in future.

If you do have a re-subscription, then it may pay to also get the clan member to state the games that they play.

[Volodkovich]

i currently agree with whats mainly been said - it should staff as it is. Goose's idea is quite good - maybe hold a re-subscription?

Anyway, for people like me who dont have broadband, you wont see us online - we can only use the [OCNZ] tag when we are at lans. Sort of like at nox - people saw who OCNZ was there...and you didnt get anyone in OCNZ not using our tag. It would be silly purging members that are in OCNZ, and go to events like that without being able to say they are in the OCNZ clan.

[Artifice]

everybody that wants a clan purge must now start using the clan tag [NZOC] and stop bothering the rest of us [OCNZ] people that dont give a hoot who uses the moniker. if you want a controlled clan then control thyself :P cos i cant. wont. shant. you cant make me so there. :P :)

[Agent666]

geez people games are meant to be fun..... some of you need to get off your little pedestal and get a grip....

stop bickering about it and just enjoy the gaming....

personally I have not seen a [OCNZ] tag online for over 6 months when I was playing UT2003 and since then not one.......
Like KJ I dont play the same games as everyone else... mainly JK2 over the last year with a little wolfenstien but suck at that and not much better at JK2 since havnt loaded it up in 3-4 months.....

but the few games I have had playing UT2003 and JK2 with other OCNZ members have been really fun... dont really know who they were but it is nice just playing against/with people who are good team players... who cares who they are.... ... I do remember IR sucked at 2003 a little more than me ;)

I really gotta get a copy of 1942 and see what all the hype is about..... guess it will be a steep learning curve since you are all the elite players now:rolleyes: :D

[TheChosen_1]

I agree with KJ dont worry about it. If you start putting restricitions on the clan, then its going to be more work for him proberley.

Also Agent666, Me and SerN have just bought UT2k3 Oem version, and we mainly play on the jetstream servers at nights, so expect to see us on there nowdays. :D

[Gronk the small]

Hmm, well I do read these boards at least 3 times a week, and I do run an Overclocked Athlon XP1800 and I do play BF / DC with a OCNZ Tag.....

I've seen other OCNZ Tags playing on the Public servers, but personally I've not had the time to play at matches.

Now that I DO have more time I've sent the requisite email on the Jetstream boards to get added to the forum/team etc.
(Basically I can play for OCNZ most nights now and those of you that have seen me about would probably agree that I ain't the most sucky Scout/Engineer)

OK so I don't go to LAN meetings (but then again I haven't been able to until recently), but I do like this community and would really like to play on the BF Team.

Wotever. Just my 2 Lira.

:o

[swiftynz]

at the end of the day, KJ is the [OCNZ] leader, so what he says goes basically (unless everyone is against him which is certainly not the case here). i don't think [OCNZ] should be purged at all. it is very much a casual setup.

i am not a hardcore gamer and i almost never play online (mostly due to the fact that i really cant afford to waste money on games), but i like to play for [OCNZ] at lans etc since i'm certainly an active member on this board. although i agree that inactive members (those who neither read nor post) should probably not be in the clan, it really doesn't matter enough to warrant going exclusive, and creates way too many administration hassles.

anyway its all pretty much been said above, chill out guys. ;)

if you're really that worried about it, set up another clan and elect a new leader. :D

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Tiggerz
I think personally that if you have an online community as OCNZ is, that people whom use that monica should actually be active members in that community.

Otherwise people are freeloading off of the community.
exactly. if i had my way only those who contribute to this forums would even be allowed to apply for clan membership.

actually to me it's not even about "clan" as it is about affiliation... the kind of affiliation that is earned. i feel i'm quite strongly affiliated with OCNZ so i wear the [OCNZ] tag.

but in reality even if membership was restricted somehow there's absolutely nothing stopping any git from throwing [OCNZ] in front on their handle - which is basically what is happening now.

so to end my rant, i'd like to say this "open policy" sucks balls, but there's ultimately no way around it anyway, so i have no choice but to position myself in the "i don't really give a flying ****" category.

[dOg]

looks like the online bf has given the clan tag a higher profile..that and the ocnz forum at clan flat...

online bf you could se wibber ...artifice...dill lay see fud....harls...binks...few others ive seen ..cant remember names...

theres always some pretty strong players from other clans online..
so i guess ..and add the fact were getting challanged to matches..the tag has been prety well represented..on xtra eanz and servers that show in the aus [ which is where most set it ]..ase circuit...

perhaps an elite [OCNZ] division is needed to satisfy the needs of the more hardcore fra..er..committed battlefield participent..

so [OCNZ] L3_dOg would become [OCNZ_SS] L3_dOg

[dOg]

just to prove the point shot up to the coral sea for a quick fr...er...team player practice..lmao..totally smashed the allied carrier several times in quick succession..won round before that.

thatll teach em..dOg does not like to spawn into sinkling carrier getting smashed to bits by corsairs everywhere..muhahaha the [NZAF] dude left server..shoulda been wering ma " ocnz_elite" tag

[fatsanchez]

wtf is up with all the OMGSO1337 clans giving themselves names with SS in them?

is imitating probably the most evil organisation for the last few hundred years a good thing?

[Oh-Sigh-Ris]

because the SS represent the pinnacle of soldierdry (sp?) in WW2. They were the best of the best, and especially known for their ruthlessness. Which clans like to be known as: ruthless.

[Artifice]

the SS stands for Secret Squirrel :) if you have SS in your tag then chances are he's been there. lol
j/k man i should not drink and use a pc.
the SS squad reckons it stand for sharp shooters. but i think that its just the skinhead mentality continuing into computer games.
my $0.02 with gst= $0.0225

[ktulu]

yep, seen most og you now (saw uncobob tk as well last night :D ).
I've upgraded myself from "Still_a_noob" to "Skank_E_Hoe". When I feel like I cn actually play, I'll change it to [OCNZ]ktulu

[O'Neill]

for an elite clan tag without the german inplications how bout
[OCNZ_SAS]

[Joshsti_NZ]

Errr, can't we just leave it as the almighty [OCNZ] ffs? :rolleyes:

PWND by:

[Ragnor]

I think [OCNZ] should be left as is..

d0g's on the right track with his idea, those playing BF1942 clan matches could use [OCNZ_BF]

[Sydog]

LOL SS is sharp shooters, suprisingly it's kinda got nothing to do with WW2 as the clan has been around for a while and wasn't based on any WW2 game.

Meh back to whoring Generals online, haha you all ENVY me :D

[dOg]

dear o dear o dear...scholars and gentlemen..& others......

WAFFEN SS..COMBAT REPUTATION

Waffen-SS troops as a whole have earned a distinguished combat reputation during WWII, renowned for both stunning offensive victories and tenacious defensive operations. Without question, many SS troops exhibited incredible feats of bravery, courage and tactical brilliance,

WHERMACHT- WAFFEN-SS RELATIONS
In the 1930's the relationship between the Wehrmacht and the SS troops was strained. The army thought the SS-Verfügungstruppen were amateurs; the SS-Totenknopf were sadists and the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler were "asphalt soldiers" who looked great on the parade ground but weren't capable of fighting

At first the German Army looked down on the SS troops. While admiring their courage and recklessness during the Polish and French campaigns in 1939-40, the German Army felt that overall the SS troops suffered from a combination of recklessness and lack of training which resulted in high casualties. The SS countered that the Army often gave them the most difficult assignments with minimal support. Perhaps both allegations contained a grain of truth.

The Waffen-SS earned its reputation for bravery and steadfastness in Operation Barbarossa and the subsequent fall/winter campaign in Russia. No longer did the Army look down on SS troops, as their elan and courageousness determined many a German advance or repulsed many a Soviet attack. As German Army General von Mackenstein said about the 1sr SS division, they are "...truly is an elite unit."

WAFFEN-SS COMBAT TACTICS
At their best, Waffen-SS troops were experts at combat
ON THE OFFENSIVE
It is important to remember that the majority of Waffen-SS troops considered themselves an elite force. This manifested itself in two ways:
SS troops, despite at times their inferior weapons were given the maximum amount of firepower possible - meaning more automatic weapons, more machine guns and more squad weapons such as mortars per unit than the average German Army equivalent. This trend continued to expand during the course of WWII, as SS troops (at least the "classic" divisions) were often given priority to receive the most of the best the German armaments industry could provide. This compliment of weapons allowed the SS to employ "firepower saturation" tactics which enabled them to overpower enemy forces and win territory.
Since SS troopers considered themselves an elite force (a concept reinforced by their ideological training), they favored tactics that focused on frontal assaults and surprise attacks but often resulted in heavy casualties.
These 2 characteristics of the Waffen-SS caused friction between the SS and the German Army. For example, after the 1940 French campaign, the German army complained that the SS, despite their courage, were too ill-trained and their officers too reckless with their troops, resulting in higher SS casualties. RFSS Himmler replies that Waffen-SS troops are just full of "Draufgaügertum" ("Derring-doo") - and that the high casualty lists are due to the fact that the SS units have been given extra-difficult tasks and assigned to ad hoc units with poor interoperations. Himmler uses this argument to justify that Waffen-SS troops should serve in their own divisional units under separate Waffen-SS command. The German Army agrees, but stipulates that SS troops must be in separate army groups under Army commanders.

Certainly the SS Panzer divisions followed the Wehrmacht doctrine of "Panzerkeil" - the concept of an armored wedge with the strongest tanks at the front and flanks, followed by the weaker tanks, then followed by the panzergrenadiers.

ON THE DEFENSIVE
Waffen-SS troops were also masters at defensive warfare.
They were able to quickly dig in and hold positions despite appalling casualties (see Totenkopf division at the Demjansk pocket)
They became experts at concealment and camoflauge as evident by the operations of the Hitlerjugend division at Normandy in 1944
They were able to employ effective delaying tactics, especially antitank tactics, so that small SS defensive units could hold back larger Allied units (for example the operations of the Langermark division at Narva in 1944.
In defensive operations, Waffen-SS casualties were prohibitedly high, but the SS usually gave worse than they got. For example, Allied casualties (American, British, Canadian) in the 1944 Caen campaign were 6 times that of the Waffen-SS.

No wonder that the Eastern front was known as "Vernichtungskreig" (the war of annihilation) Antitank Innovations on the Battlefield
Waffen-SS troops were able to create ad-hoc, effective tactics to counter the material weight of Allied assaults. One of the more famous examples of the SS tactical innovation would be SS-Unterscharführer Remi Schrijnen's "Kopfstellung" (head position) in which a PAK antitank gun would be entrenched on a hillside like this:

Remi Schrijnen was a antitank gunner for the 27th SS Division Langemark who won the Knight's Cross for singlehandedly knocking out 7 (some accounts say 12) Soviet tanks during the Battle of Narva. Schrijnen's developed this unique tactic during his tour of duty on the Eastern Front. The benefits of the PAK Kopfstellung were:
Dug in at the crest of the hill made it diffult for Soviet tanks to spot the position or accurately estimate its distance
Firing from above negated the defelction effect of Soviet tank fire
The Zeltbann (triangular rain ponchos tacked down on the ground below the cannon) prevented tell-tale dust clouds
Waffen-SS troops were given the flexibility to experiment with tactics and incouraged to innovate. This tactical flexibility and innovation were a major reason why the SS earned such a good combat reputation. Of course, given the overwhelming odds the Waffen-SS often faced, innovation was often the result of desparation.

5th SS-Panzer Division Wiking
Wiking was the first "international" (western European freiwilligen) Waffen-SS division and the only German armed forces panzer division comprised of foreign troops. Not only did it earn an esteemed combat reputation but also served as an SS "finishing school," spinning off a host of additional divisions.

Wiking operated exclusively on the eastern front. On the offense, it served as a spearhead for operations Barbarossa and Citadel. As a defensive "fire brigade," it served in the Cherkassy pocket and in 1944 Hungary. Wiking earned a reputation for fighting tough but fighting fair

[Gronk the small]

And as an interesting aside to dOg's lenghty and interesting post:

The USMC Winter Warfare handbook is an almost direct copy/descendant from the German Eastern Front handbook.

The tricks/tactics and tips for staying warm, concealing positions and maintaining equipment in extreme cold are sometimes so close that the illustrations haven't changed.
(Noted from a Book on the Waffen SS on the Eastern front)

Also of note from dOg's post is the 6 to 1 casualty rate at Caen... consider that the Allies also had complete Air Dominance and ALSO that they enjoyed Naval gunfire support and you gain some idea of how bloody difficult it was for those SS divisions trying to hold the line around Capriquet & Caen.

HOWEVER-Sticking SS on the end of an OCNZ Tag in a WW2 wargame online would still be seen by many out there as bad form. (Thanks to the atrocities commited by the SS Camp guards amd Einstatzgruppen et al which will always slur any appreciation of the deeds of the Combat SS formations)

[Sydog]

Originally posted by dOg
dear o dear o dear...scholars and gentlemen..& others......

I was meaning the clan wasn't founded as a immitation of the SS.

I know exactly what the SS were during nazi germany, we dwelved alot into WW2 during History when I went to HS.

just pointing out that SS-clan means sharpshooters, one of the Cptns i know always corrects me when i cal him a nazi :P

[Binky Stunt Cat]

since when was this about the history of ww2? :p

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Binky Stunt Cat
since when was this about the history of ww2? :p
heh, these guys just love to compare knowledge-penis size :p

[dOg]

its not its about an elite ocnz diviusion of gamers...

why to just ocnz...because as kj rightly points out ..ocnz wasnt set up for the single purpose of a hardcore gaming clan..however as tagged players have built *ahem*..*cough* a recognised online combat reputation....as individuals..some feel the need to have an elite division..this is so ocnz general can continue to grow and there'll be a next level for them to achieve..

benifits are immediate and huge..imagine youre online you see an unkown [OCNZ_ELITE] you..will have to question ...not an unsavoury task..they love the dam chat up there dont they..if said participent is "NOT" of the "correct" tag non..nomacl.....er.. designation...then..you .asumming you do not immediately terminate this imposterish amateur..you can at least report this unworthy being to the section of the [OCNZ_ELITE] which has a well docunented and sullied reputation for cruelity to innocent civilian computers..and their sibling parts..the [OCNZ_ELITE] gestapo....

thats right punters and trendsetters..the [H]arls who will then of course swing into immediate action and commit the horrendus attrocities well documented elsewhere on this very forum:D

[OhNoOhYes]

I remember someone questioned KJ why OCNZ is way smaller then OCAU. I think that the anti newbies atitude by a few old members here is one of the reason.

I removed my [OCNZ] tag from now on and I hope you guys dont put such stupid pressure on KJ anymore. Gamings are for fun only.

Dilly Lay See Fud

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by OhNoOhYes
I remember someone questioned KJ why OCNZ is way smaller then OCAU.
umm could it be aussie has six times the population of NZ? :rolleyes:
I think that the anti newbies atitude by a few old members here is one of the reason.

I removed my [OCNZ] tag from now on and I hope you guys dont put such stupid pressure on KJ anymore. Gamings are for fun only.
well it very well could be, but i doubt it. my opinion on the matter (and i assume it's the same for most of those you're talking about) is not "anti-newbie", it's "anti-nobody". people who affiliate to OCNZ but have absolutely nothing to do with us - the only reason they wear the tag is coz it represents some geek fashion accessory. it's not even really the gaming side of it that pisses me off, since i do very little gaming as it is, but i'm seeing people who i've never heard of, wearing the tag, and turning up on DC hubs, in chat rooms, on other forums, everywhere!

as i said earlier, there's really no way to police it so i'm not expecting anything to be "done" about it. no pressure, just a vent :)

[OhNoOhYes]

Its hard to say who is "nobody". A "nobody" may well be checking the www.overclockers.co.nz site daily, reading every articles written by Hans and Daug? May be reading the forums but remains silent just because he/ she is not as talkative as others do?

As long as he sticks to the member rules why need a purge?

Does it really mean a new clan with a new set of rules is required? Neo-OCNZ? This really pisses me off.

[Disrespective]

I see everyones point here, but then i dont post often, hardly ever in fact, but i dont use the OCNZ tag either and dont intend to anytime soon. All i like to do is read the topics and if i have a strong enough opinion i post it.

I find the forums interesting and informative, which is one of the main resons why i joined, and if thats a crime then maybe purging is a good idea.

I understand that some people are annoyed with unknowns "abusing" the OCNZ tag but i guess that if they have joined OCNZ then its their choice as to whether or not they use it.

Thanks for listening

[Wibber]

they dont want to stop users of the forum to not use the tag, they wanna stop non-users of the forum sing the take, and possibly giving us a bad name

[Disrespective]

All is fair then

[-=DEI[]v[]OS=-]

OK after decyphering Wibbers post :p I totally agree, I really don't mind anyone who posts here using the [OCNZ] tag, what bugs me is some smacktard deciding he's uber l337 and wants to run round TKing or generally being arse, and basically bringing the rest of us down with him.

I guess to me the [OCNZ] tag means that if I join a BF server (for instance) and see someone with [OCNZ] next to their name then I can join their team and with all confidence know that they will do their best to work for the team and basically play the game the way it's meant to, not run around being a total embarrasement and complete waste of my bandwidth.

[OhNoOhYes]

Originally posted by -=DEI[]v[]OS=-
OK after decyphering Wibbers post :p I totally agree, I really don't mind anyone who posts here using the [OCNZ] tag, what bugs me is some smacktard deciding he's uber l337 and wants to run round TKing or generally being arse, and basically bringing the rest of us down with him.

I guess to me the [OCNZ] tag means that if I join a BF server (for instance) and see someone with [OCNZ] next to their name then I can join their team and with all confidence know that they will do their best to work for the team and basically play the game the way it's meant to, not run around being a total embarrasement and complete waste of my bandwidth.

Absolutely agree. However I never seen any [OCNZ] tagged TKers in BF. Well accidental TKs did happened (ie not intentionally team kill), but who never did?

And for those who just snipes and without going for the flags etc, its not a problem as OCNZ is not an elite clan. Also newbies overtime will become veterans.

The way that OCNZ game clan becomes more discriminative not only hurts itself, but the www.overclockers.co.nz as well.

[Wibber]

nah man you should of seen how many time ss tk'd me yesterday :p

[Sydog]

OhNo your taking it the wrong way.

The whole point of the clan is to have a recognizable tag for this community (ie the forums). Not the website, where any joe can read the articles and read the forums and then choose to use the OCNZ clan tag.

And the idea of a purge is to remove the paople who aren't part of the community, because in my opinion, someone who isn't part of a community shouldnt represent the community

[mird-OC]

yeah, and it's not like it's hard to be a part of this community. reading is a part, but it's not really enough. i mean, i read icrontic, [h], /., OCAU, ocworkbench, etc etc but i don't go around affiliating myself with them because until i make a proper contribution to said forums i'm just a guest.