pirate cds

[GriffiN]

http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,53157,00.html

It's the first article i've read where they are actually saying
something positive is coming out or pirates - well, they don't *exactly* say that... ;)

[Ragnor]

The Ipsos-Reid study found that 81 percent of music downloaders reported that their CD purchasing either remained the same or increased

They probably surved a pathetically small number of people 10, 100, 100 etc... Just like polls on the news and the tv ratings... totally rubbist due various bias'

/resists the urge to rant

I know I haven't bought a CD in 3-4 years due to mp3's and having a cd writer.. how about you? Even when I get something like sounds vouchers I buy something usefull like blank cd's or a cd wallet thang ...

[TheChosen_1]

have to agree with Ragnor there, I havnt bought a cd from a music store for like 3 years. If they really want to crack down on mp3 ripping, then should crack down on websites that have them for download. Since I got my cd writer I never will look at buying a cd.

my $0.02

TheChosen_1

[Sydog]

I would buy cds still, my only excuse is that I have to pay around $50 for the cd's I wanna buy as no cd stores have them, of course a couple months later they do but thats beside the point

[I.R]

I still buy CD's coz most of the **** that I like most other peeps aren't into..... BORSTARDS :mad: and I have a crap connection :(

[Geek4Life]

If i'm going to listen to it a lot I like to buy the stuff where possible.

[p01s0n_p1e]

i normally download a song offa kazaa or whatever, and if i like it buy the album, however, sometimes i here bad reviews of the album and wont buy it, im thinking of getting untouchables by korn, caus the new song is pretty cool :D

[swiftynz]

once upon a time i wasnt in to music much at all thus i didn't buy any cds. the radio played crap most of the time and if there was a good song on chances are i'd miss the title.

then we got a cd writer. blank cds were $10 then so i didn't really copy much apart from the odd compilation made out of mates cds.

then napster came along, blank cd prices dropped and we got a cd writer that didn't make $10 coasters every third burn. my cd purchasing actually increased for a while, but now i realise that the cost of cds far outweighs the value you get from them. $35 for a cd is ludicrous. now i dont even burn music cds since my comp is on 24/7 and i can just use winamp. but when i get vouchers i do spend them on cds. i just wait for a really good one to come along and the $20 voucher or whatever makes the cd a fair price from my point of view, $15. :rolleyes:

[KingJackal]

Haha -$35?? Dude, you guys ACTUALLY LOOK at full retail CD's?

ECM in Dressmart, Hornby sell ALL their CD's for under $25. ( OK, so in reality all the good/new ones are $24.95, but hey! ;) )

I've found I buy more CD's and DVD's now - though still not many. Before I had a PC, I only had a radio ( no CD player or anything ), and even I could tell tapes SUCKED, so I never used to buy anything.

IMHO, the $20 mark is about where I start to think, what the hell! :D

Last time I saw Gatecrasher's for $20 I couldn't resist - and it's been well worth it. Next time I see them for $20 I guarantee I won't be able to resist again.

BTW, in completely unrelated news, did you ever realise how much better 196Kb direct CD rip Ogg Vorbis' are than the crap you get online? :cool: :D

[Agent666]

the warehouse is also good for cheaper than others .... normally you will save between 5-10 dollars if they actually have it......

About the only cds I have brought lately are NZ ones......

[dumass]

Notice how all CDs @ mango music have piracy = $10,000 fine stickers on them : /

What about if you download the CD and dont burn it to CD?

the cd player on my sterio is fuXed, so i just listen to winamp..

[Glycerine]

i buy NZ music... but pretty much everything else i have i get off the net,

/me wonders if theres someone reading this thread writing down our IPs to track us all down and give us huge mofo fines??

[DiscoStu]

Originally posted by swiftynz
then napster came along, blank cd prices dropped and we got a cd writer that didn't make $10 coasters every third burn. my cd purchasing actually increased for a while....
I was quite the same. My CD purchasing increased quite a bit once I started on Napster, as I'd d/l a couple of tracks, then get the CD.
I don't buy that many CD's any more, except the ones I REALLLLLY need and can't find online - which tend to be imports and hit the wallet hard (ie - $50+). :(

[dairyboy]

If CD's were $15 i would buy a hell of a lot more.......

my purchases have gone down, but i still buy the odd CD. For bands I support, CDs i collect, nz or odd music.

[swiftynz]

nope i wouldn't look at a full retail price cd either. but i used to get vouchers from aunts and uncles for soundz (why does it always have to be bloody soundz). so i had no other choice than to pay the full retail BS price. $25 is the absolute upper maximum i will ever pay for a cd... and it would have to be a dam good one. $20 is worth considering but $15 is what i consider a good, fair price for a decent cd.

[mird-OC]

i reckons music companies should push CD rentals... i've bought about 250 CD albums and 200 CD singles in the last 8 years, most of which were bought in the first 3 years. i was getting into DJ'ing at that point so i was building up my collection, but now i see little point in buying a CD that i'm (usually) only ever going to get a few weeks actual use out of. because of this i haven't bought a CD for myself for a loooong time.

so, my solution to the problem would be: CD rentals. yes, i know, it's already available, but it's currently pretty limited and could be developed much more. just look at DVD - i don't know the statistics, but i'm pretty damn sure there is more revenue generated by DVD rentals than DVD sales.

with the increased popularity in DVD rentals, i've developed a habit of "archiving" all the movies i hire, even tho i usually only watch most of them once or twice. yes, it's piracy but i'm still paying for those rentals and i believe i'm doing my bit for the film industry by hiring 2 or 3 DVDs a week than i'd ever do by purchasing them. i generally avoid downloading movies or copying them off others because of this very reason - i want to support the film industry.

if CD rentals became more mainstream i'd probably do the same with my music. as it currently stands, i'm not interested in what they're offering me.

[Sydog]

I don't actually rip dvds cuz I wanna watch them over and over again either, I fell proud when I get a 2hr movie with sweet quality on a single cd. Hell alot of the rips I have done I haven't even watched

[Sydog]

its classic how sum ppl go about defeating copy protection eh, read this random article

http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml?articleid=9242

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

I still buy cds but only when I am going to get good value out of them. Ie: I like every song on the album like with Daft Punk - Discovery. I think they had the right idea. In order to entice people to actually buy the cd they included a club card which enables you to go to their site download a player and then download unreleased tracks. They are anti copy protection and I think it makes it alot more attractive to offer incentives rather than punishments.

[GriffiN]

I still buy 2-4 cds per year, but it's all i've ever really bought anyway because of money.
And most of them are $15 under from the warehouse.
I finally biffed out about 60 odd tapes i had a couple of months ago. *whats a tape deck?*

[varkk]

Have a look at this article I just read about a legal challenge against the new copy protection system http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/E6D0BEC942BC6069CC256BDC0073ED1D!opendocument

[Geek4Life]

mird-OC you mentioned the hiring of CDs. Well there most certainly is one place, though they don't always have everything, or the latest stuff. But the Canterbury Public Library (http://library.christchurch.org.nz/) for $1 I can get a single CD out for a month sometimes they don't notice the second disc either so you don't always have to pay $2 for a 2CD jobbie.

As a student I get free reserves and no late fees. I find that when you know that a CD is just released, start checking the website. That way you can reserve it and be the first to get it out.

But as you say with your archiving of DVDs, yes it is very tempting.

[NNA2m]

...costing the music industry $4.3 billion dollars...

Thats BS. How much do you want to bet that they calculated it through the amount of songs being downloaded times the average cost or some crap. People wouldn't actually download the songs if they had to pay for them.

[Sydog]

hehe, that puzzled me as well. How can they lose money by not selling cd's, it's not like peeps are buying them, copying and then returniong the cds for a refund

[mird-OC]

it's called lost revenue. every song released by record companies has had a certain amount of money invested in it, so if someone downloads that song off the net for free, they're losing money. the problem is, that they're basing their assumption that every single copyrighted song download is a lost sale - i.e. a person downloads a song for free, so they're not going to buy the CD - but as the research revealed in the article Griffin posted, that really isn't the case (or record sales would've gone down).

[varkk]

Who saw the article on space about this last night?

They quoted some dodgy statistics, CD sales are down 10% from couple of years ago (during an economic downturn I'll just mention) But at the same time blank CD sales have risen at a huge rate. But a few years ago very few people had burners so not many bought blank CDs
They assume that every blank CD is used to pirate music (hey what about the software piracy, I think that is bigger than music). They blame MP3s and kids with burners for the loss of revenue. I think they need to revisit their sales model to evolve with the technology, or join the species which couldn't evolve

[Deviant]

Yeah, they should stop winging. For years they charged us more for a CD (and still do) than for a tape, and the CD is cheaper to produce. I think their customers are just getting their own back. Some of those rich music singers/musicians don't deserve all the money they get, nor the record companies, but the little musician/band player etc does. The record companies just stomp over them.

[matthew]

I only used to buy vinyl.... before i sold my decks recently i had accumulated quite alot of vinyl over the past few years all up i would have spent well over $3500 easy ...even thought i am on a sh+tty 56k i have downloaded ALOT of music off the net as well ever since napster was going strong and AG was taking it's baby steps.... but the point in my case is - i would have never paid for any of these cd's anyway becuase i was only buying vinyl - the tunes i d/l off these proggies are ones that i would have never heard otherwise and am just discovering or ones that i like but never enough to actually sheel out $$ for :p
now i think if a artist+albulm is really worth it the fan will not mind paying for that - i think if anything it should raise the standards of what goes on an artist's retail cd... reference to the "1 nice track and 11 filler" syndrome..... i hope in the end the record compaines will be the only ones that lose out and the only ones getting paid are the ones making the music....

they ****ed napster now we have proggies that are much better than napster... :p and it goes on and on......

[2 much thinking]

im actually doing a research project for my course on Sony's attempt to stop digital piracy.

in my recommendations section is Sony needs to stop thinking they can dictate the way consumers aquire their music and embrace the technology and work with it OR they are bringing hardship apon themselves.

The crazy thing is Sony Music is totally against CD copying yet Sony Electronics makes CD writers and CD-R's and RW's. althought they are obviously 2 different companies they are still part of Sony, so in effect they are shooting themselves in the foot.

[BloodDonor]

i read somewhere on a reputable site that in the 1st year napster was about, record label companies doubled total sales

:confused: :eek: :D

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by mird-OC
it's called lost revenue. every song released by record companies has had a certain amount of money invested in it, so if someone downloads that song off the net for free, they're losing money. the problem is, that they're basing their assumption that every single copyrighted song download is a lost sale - i.e. a person downloads a song for free, so they're not going to buy the CD - but as the research revealed in the article Griffin posted, that really isn't the case (or record sales would've gone down).

That's exactly it.

When I had over 1000 mp3's off different albumns - do you honestly think that's $35,000 ( rrp on a CD is a ridiculous $35, AFAIK ) they've lost? Hell - do you think I even have the capacity to have earned or used $35,000 in MY ENTIRE LIFE?

Nope.

If I COULDN'T pirate - I just wouldn't waste time with music as much. It's that simple. I'd have the same small ( dozens rather than 1000's ) CD/DVD collection - all of albums/movies that I like in their entirety.

Hell, had it not been for mp3's I never would have heard of Gatecrasher for example - standard radio stations don't play them ( or if they do, it's played without the artist being mentioned ). But since I heard the mp3's, and liked them - I wanted better quality versions, so now I buy the CD's.

Having said that, I know people with literally 1000's of pirate CDR's and NO legal copies - and they're just scabs. That's where the music industry misses out - on the phr33ks that spend so much on piracy they could afford the real deal every so often :rolleyes:. Unfortunately, I don't think they've worked out how to target them without hitting people like me yet.... :(

[mird-OC]

yeah that's right. i mean downloading an MP3 is (to me) the exact same thing as taping a song off the radio - something the record companies never even flinched about before.

i think the big issue is that big music sharing services such as napster, audiogalaxy, kazaa, imesh etc are all basically like big radio stations - the only difference being that there's absolutely no record company control (oh the humanity!).

essentially it's just a form of getting the music out there, and as always the people who truly like it will give their money as a sign of appreciation and the people who are scabs will just "tape it" ;)