Computing @ CPIT

[CrazySurfaNZ]

Hey does anyone here do a computing course at CPIT, im thinking of doing a BICT there next year and just wanted to see what people had to say about computing there...

Cheers
Stephen

[Wibber]

commerce courses mostly suck do a dip comp net...at least 1/2 of it is interestin

[CrazySurfaNZ]

I hate to say it but :

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that is a really useful post
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[Wibber]

what? you asked me what I thought, and I told you... you did ask me to explain why. but ok I will, um hows this, the majority of the courses have little or no pratical value, and tend to overlap alot. most of the year 2/3 courese are not too bad though. now that I think about it, the first year is designed to teach retards the absolute basics. and don't even get me started on the communications courses

[CrazySurfaNZ]

Yeah ok man, i really wanted to know more in depth detail.. ive been reading about the BICT and it actually sounds really good, im quite interested in the networking side of things.. so yeah.. i looked at cosc at universitys but its too much theory and it all seems pretty boring and too focused on programming so yeah i think the BICT looks pretty good.

For more information have a look here:
http://www.cpit.ac.nz/courses/details/bucoba01.asp

That doesnt tell you anywhere near as much as the book that ive got but its a start anyway.

[Eagle32]

Warning : The following is my own opinion based only on my own bad experiences and general "disgruntled postal worker" attitude towards CPIT.

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I started there Diploma in Networking there last year. It was split roughly as follows. 90% of the first 6 months was spent in class' with tiltles like "Software Fundamentals", have you ever been in a 2 hour lesson on searching in windows for files? or how to format a floppy fdisk and copy files too it? (and im not kidding it was 2 full hours).

The remaining 10% of my time was spent in class' for the Cisco CCNA which is what i was really on the course for. They follow the online cirriculum which is split into 4 semesters. Cisco have a site with the whole thing layed out which you have access to on the course. The 1st 2 semesters were spent with us having a guy who obviously had no clue never mind any formal networking qualifications. He would tell us to read the next chapter online and "do the labs" from time to time (they actually have a good range of cisco gear there for the course). My favorite quote from one of the rare times he was silly enough to try and teach us from whatever notes he had. He stared asking ppl what different application did like ftp programs and web browsers, then he got to telnet, someone said it was a remote access tool (or something similar, not an exact explination but a reasonable statement) he said, and i quote "No thats wrong, Telnet is a ping tool". Anyone with any computer background will realise just how stupid that is.

oh and another good one from another class "the avg FSB of a current P4 procersor is 1.4GHz" yes thats right folks the FSB

Apparently they got a qualified teacher for the 3rd and 4th semesters but i didn't hang around tht long. Off too a job i did go.

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If this is an indication of the general lvl of there courses? Probably. Hell these courses might be good if you haven't seen a computer before, but i'd say the majority of ppl here have too much of a clue and would be bored ****less just like me.

[Wibber]

ha! like I said... the 2nd (and 3rd and 4th if you really ike being a student) get a little better though... I gould give you a list of courses worth taking If I though about it for a while...

[KingJackal]

In general, you go to polytech if you're too dumb to get into Uni. Feel free to argue that point, but all the people I know at tech compared with the people I know at Uni - big IQ difference right there.

The reason you would have disliked Canterbury University's options was because you were looking in the wrong place.

ELEC = hardware
COSC = programming
AFIS = the practical crap ( closer to tech's style )

ELEC is the hardest, BY FAR - and if you really want to get into networking, you'd do that. However, if you got less than 80% in Bursary calculus, you may as well give up ( or be prepared to work your ASS off ).

COSC is the middle ground. It's mainly programming and software engineering - and only rarely recee's into hardware territory. You'll learn Java in 1st year, C in stage 2 - and along the way may pick up another 5 or 10 ( not kidding ) languages.

AFIS is the easiest. I tutored a group of guys doing a stage 3 AFIS course back when I was stage 2 COSC ( having never done any AFIS, let alone that course ). They do some cool topics - enough to almost tempt me, but they teach at a level too low to be worth my time and money :(.

Stage 1 at Uni is easy. The entire purpose of stage 1 is to lose the morons. No more - if you're anything like me, you'll learn roughly jack. You can skip it - looking back, I probably should have.

Stage 2+ is where you'll actually get into things - so if you're asking about course curricula, ask about these courses ;).

Hope that helps some :)

[TheChosen_1]

Im doing DipBC, its not abd but can get a little too easy, especially this course in CBC which is part of Dipbc called os100, man it was on windows nt4 and it was like cut and paste this file, I was like come on this is pathetic.
Its up to you but I reckon its an alright course, and the tutors say that alot of diploma students are earning 6 figure incomes overseas.

TheChosen_1

[CrazySurfaNZ]

Yeah man, im at the Christchurch College of Computing (http://www.ccc.school.nz) and that is one of the papers we do as part of our standard course .. this IS a school for 7th form students :D

[Geek4Life]

The BICT does look good. Although when it comes to getting a job, I think a university degree would be better in the long run.

When an employer looks at your CV and sees BCom or BSc from a Uni they are going to be more impressed. Though the CPIT is supposed to be pretty close to some businesses that are after graduates.

In the end it all comes down to what you want to spend your money on. Make sure you look at all the options thoroughly.

Also check out TeachMe (http://www.teachme.co.nz) for information on courses.

[Wibber]

7th form my ass, I did it in 5th form, and it was easy even then.. first year NZQA actully offered qualifications

[Geek4Life]

First year courses are going to suck to a certain extent, as they are just they're to help the dumbarses catch up / lost the dumb arses.

[whetu]

Originally posted by KingJackal
In general, you go to polytech if you're too dumb to get into Uni. Feel free to argue that point, but all the people I know at tech compared with the people I know at Uni - big IQ difference right there.

iq difference - yeah pretty much, but i've seen a few stupid peeps at massey... i dont believe in lectures, thats the main reason i go to tech.

]Originally posted by The Chosen_1 Im doing DipBC, its not abd but can get a little too easy, especially this course in CBC which is part of Dipbc called os100, man it was on windows nt4 and it was like cut and paste this file, I was like come on this is pathetic.
Its up to you but I reckon its an alright course, and the tutors say that alot of diploma students are earning 6 figure incomes overseas.

tell me about it, in OS100 we had copy, paste, move and delete a file, then we had to draw a picture in mspaint, show competence in MSPaint layering and that was it, we had passed the windows section... the linux section involved a test on creating directorys, chmod and vi...woooooooooooooo and i was the only one in the class who aced it - 100% pass... three quarters of my class struggled to get the 80% required to pass the paper

with dipBC are you focusing on networking or programming?
The only thing i like about the course is that it covers a wide area of IT, so you can get a bit of everything and then decide what area you like best and then focus on it

[Geek4Life]

Haven't done OS100 yet, by the sound of things it'll be pretty sweet. ;)

The only things that I've found difficult so far have been IP100, BC101, BC102. I hate englishy things.:(

[mird-OC]

IP100... what a total waste of time.

[Geek4Life]

Yeah IP100 most certainly is a waste of time.

[CrazySurfaNZ]

Yea ip100 was a big load of bollicks and BC100 is turning out the same unfortunately..

[Daza]

I agree with whetu in that i rekon its pointless trying to teach 200+ ppl Java at teh same time lecture style, if you want to learn programming you just have to do it.

The cpit BICT course is backed and reveiwed by Monash uni so you cant really say their BCIT course is crap and not relevant

We only do all those gay NZQA unit standards at the CCC cuz they are necessery to get some qualification or another. but our teacher just goes "you know how to do that tell ya what just sit the test dont bother reading the notes"

ip100 and bc100 and the stupidiest things ever!!!! i hate them so much...

ummmmm yeah thats about it

[CrazySurfaNZ]

It will be interesting to see how the CPIT carries on what with recent fires and stuff.. they are treating them all as suspiscious so i hope they catch the culprit!:mad: