Gold plated!

[Fulla A]

I imagine a lot of you will have seen these pics all ready, but I just thought they were worth showing some more...
Everybody likes gold and chrome plated stuff...if it's a waterblock..then even better ^_^

http://modding.stylespc.com/news1.htm

[crux]

wow is all I can say!

[Antallica]

Originally posted by crux
wow is all I can say!

Word Up....... makes me wanna go WC'ing.

[jeef]

ooo, shiney! :D

[whetu]

*yawns* ;)

Those pics do not come close to even holding a candle to your first in-person view of those suckers... Here's a transcript:

Tojja: "hey ra do you have some spare underpants?"
Me: "ummmmmmmmm do you want to borrow some?"
Tojja: "nah you might need them after you see this" *flops it out (the waterblock you filthy pricks :D)*
Me: *jaw drops and for the next 5 minutes I could not say anything more than "HOLY ****"*

The goldy is 9 carat goldplate and the other is silverplated.. has more of a diamond finish than my satin chrome plated case which has a off-angle finish closer to stainless steel and an on-angle finish closer to a mirror

[Mashed_Penguin]

I don't think my girlfriend would appreciate one... "Hey look what I got for you", "What's that?", "its a waterblock, for a computer" "you bought WHAT!?!". :)

Very nice though, mmm shiny.

[mird-OC]

ooo nice. any idea on price? i'll be shopping for a pair of blocks in the new year...

[Rolly]

mmmm

I'm sure my wife would understand me buying jewelery for the PC and not her!

Any who am I right in saying that silver is bloddy good at heat transfer? would the silver have a better performance than the good ol copper surge?

shoot me down if I'm wrong just a thought :)

[mird-OC]

the difference between silver and copper is actually pretty minimal - like not noticeable in most circumstances. but it sure looks nice ;)

[Rolly]

I'm glad

now I don't feel like I waisted my $$ on the Surge. Could always take it to an electroplater I spose to get the good looks,

then theres the rad, pump, change tubing to metal - plate that - arrrgh it never stops

[whetu]

the other kewl thing about the plating is the platers do a bang up polish job, which means the mating surface is a gajillion times flatter than when it leaves tojja's hands :D

ooo nice. any idea on price? i'll be shopping for a pair of blocks in the new year... *cough* msn *cough* ;)

[mird-OC]

oh right - essage-may on the sn-may - gotcha ;)

*whistles innocently*

[_N_]

9 carat gold... LOL, :D is that all,

might I ask why? you can achieve the same heat transfer with a lapped copper bottom, as for the looks, who really looks at it? I mean it's pretty impressive when it's not installed, but once you hook it up and install it, you can't really see it,

I think he should patent the idea before everyone else decides to do the same,

:)

[Hans]

uh.. the plating thing had already been done in TW, 24K gold.

[Fulla A]

yes, but this is KIWI made, so it's heaps better ^_^

[ktulu]

Originally posted by _N_
9 carat gold... LOL, :D is that all,

might I ask why? you can achieve the same heat transfer with a lapped copper bottom, as for the looks, who really looks at it? I mean it's pretty impressive when it's not installed, but once you hook it up and install it, you can't really see it,


for a start, gold has a higher thermal conductivity than pretty much anything (except diamonds) and with the plating process, there will be virtually no issues with the gold/copper interface.... and if no ones interested in looks... why all the windows?

[whetu]

Originally posted by _N_
9 carat gold... LOL, :D is that all
It's a waterblock.. not Queen Elizabeth's toilet... you dumdum ;) It's called being "cost effective" :rolleyes:
might I ask why?
I counter-ask "why not?"
you can achieve the same heat transfer with a lapped copper bottom, as for the looks, who really looks at it? I mean it's pretty impressive when it's not installed, but once you hook it up and install it, you can't really see it
I can see my surge clearly from here.. nice pinky copper colour... it depends on how its installed, the installer/user and how the user wants it presented.. if they want to present it (which i assume they will.. otherwise why bother buying it) then they'll do their best to make it as viewable as possible... someone who buys a WB like this is most likely going to be that kind of person ;)

NEXT?

[Hans]

yeah, I know it would be better coz it's made in NZ. :D :D

I was referring to N's comments

I think he should patent the idea before everyone else decides to do the same,

[-DC-]

:P now i have to choose between cyclone5, or to support local :D

maybe both somehow? lol

[Fulla A]

*uses "southern man's voice"*...
good on ya mate ...

[whetu]

From Tojja,

Sorry guys, cannot post for some reason, so asked Whetu to post on my behalf....

_N_, your posts do nothing but show up your ignorance of SO many things. To respond to yours and other's posts, a sum-up:

1. The plating is purely aesthetic - no gains/losses/otherwise (as ktulu pointed out)

2. Waist is a body part. Waste isn't.

3. Wait till you see it in the flesh (another body part) - they WILL blow you away

4. "9 carat gold... LOL, is that all" - please, stop - your mastery of precious metals is making me feel inadequate

5. "who really looks at it?" - no comment....ktulu answered this well enough I think

6. "I think he should patent the idea before everyone else decides to do the same" - patent gold-plating? - please, stop - your mastery of the patenting process....(etc etc)

7. "uh.. the plating thing had already been done in TW, 24K gold" - no difference whatsoever to performance, but I think you were referring more to _N_'s comments(?)

[_N_]

true, see your point, if someone want's to show off, then this is the block for them, :D

[max]

I saw them in the flesh and they look sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
The photos really dont do them justice:)
Good job. i reckon they'd be quite popular.

[mird-OC]

well i'm definitely buying two, and i'll build a custom case so EVERYONE can see them :)

[-DC-]

so these have the same flow channels as the surge right?

[Tojja]

'tis but a Surge dressed up all pretty - still a bloody solid performing waterblock, and now with added precious metals

[dumass]

So who will be the first to have a dual setup with a gold and chrome one :D

[Volodkovich]

Originally posted by ktulu
for a start, gold has a higher thermal conductivity than pretty much anything (except diamonds) and with the plating process, there will be virtually no issues with the gold/copper interface.... and if no ones interested in looks... why all the windows?

eh? im sure that silver is better than gold...
well, here (http://www.scinfitech.com/engineerresource/property/thermcon.html) seems to agree with me...

[Tojja]

For starters, NO CHROME (John was wrong, Whetu was right), only pure silver and 9k gold. And to answer your question, I am really not sure - lets speculate for a while....

_N_? No, he cant see the need for the gold-plating (no-one sees the block anyway)

Whetu? Nah, he has just set his rig up...if it aint broke....

Me? No need or $$ for dually setup.

My neighbours? Nah, they dont have a computer

[Jane Brady voice] Dumass, this is HAAARD...who can it be???[/Jane Brady voice]

[whetu]

*giggles* BURN! :D

[shag]

I'm tired and I prolly missed a few bits while skimming thru this thread so beer with me here... oppsy, I mean bear .... or is it spelt some other way? Dang, I'm munted


What was i going to say?

Oh yeah, Is our sweet Tojja gonna be selling these things like this? And if so, when? And for roughly how much?

And damn you Whetu for giving me that mental image of Tojja flopping out his errr... block. I'm gonna have to have another hot shower before I goto bed now :eek:

And while I'm rambling, might as well roll off topic here again.
Sorry again Fulla about having to send those emails thru you. Wierdest thing how it doesen't like Georges email addy. It's the only one it won't send too:rolleyes:. I've resorted to trusty old hotmail to email him. Seems to work fine.

Goodnight all.

Hope there's some soap left:(

[[H]arls]

Damn, those are some pretty blocks. The Silver one especially, very spiffo. :)
Next step - platinum plated waterblocks. :p :D

[p01s0n_p1e]

those are the most bling-bling blocks ive ever seen.
you could really make your case all 70's pimp with those, leopard skin interior, chrome exterior, and fuzzy dice...

[ktulu]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
eh? im sure that silver is better than gold...
well, here (http://www.scinfitech.com/engineerresource/property/thermcon.html) seems to agree with me...

I stand corrected :)

[-DC-]

if only they were silver and had a perspex top :p IMHO, i like waterblocks with see-thru tops... i mean, thats only me.
i'm tempted to get the silver one, but then again i'm also looking @ the cyclone5...

we'll just have to wait and see if tojja will release these and how much they'll be :D

keep up the good work guys :)

[Mack 10]

And to answer your question, I am really not sure - lets speculate for a while....

Was this the price estimate? :confused:

[whetu]

Originally posted by Mack 10
Was this the price estimate? :confused:

no.. he was talking to dumass' post
So who will be the first to have a dual setup with a gold and chrome one

[Mack 10]

So how much are these things gonna cost?

And are the inside of the block plated as well? :D Seriously though that'd make more sence from a cooling perspective

Can't wait to see the white gold plated block with diamond core and perspex top :eek:

[ktulu]

Originally posted by Mack 10
And are the inside of the block plated as well? :D Seriously though that'd make more sence from a cooling perspective


no it wouldn't... if you plated the internals it'd be smooth and then you'd reduce turbulence (which is bad)

[whetu]

www.liquidcc.co.nz has some fresh fapping image goodness

[mird-OC]

hell i think i'd buy one just to hang it off one of my bling bling gold chains, medallion styles :D

just an idea tho - have you though about applying some sort of suitable LiquidCC decal (or what-have-you) before the dip to achieve the embossed logo look?

[Mack 10]

I was just wondering, does liquid CC do custom peace's?

[SecretSquirrel]

I believe the UN do! Also Greenpeace.

You people need to refer to a ****ing dictionary.

[[H]arls]

LoL, yeah you tell 'em SS. :D

Damn hippies...

[Mack 10]

lol, f that, never learnt to spell always had a spell checker - as I said to my fifth form typing teacher 7 years ago - you don't need to learn to type, in a couple of years you'll be able to dictate to your computer :)

[MrThc]

I had a look at them today, goddamn are they sexy :D

the pics really don't do them any justice.. I attempted to run off with them and mount them either side of my Ti4400.. but my plans were foiled coz RB, XXTermXX and Fulla A were standing guard over them :mad:

[Akane]

I wonder if they'll perform just as good as DangerDen Maze 3.......

[Tojja]

lol, f that, never learnt to spell always had a spell checker

*sigh*

Have said it before - you spend the time to write a half-decent post, and I MAY decide to post a reply, and answer your question.

I wonder if they'll perform just as good as DangerDen Maze 3.......

Within cooey - maybe +/- 2C

Ktulu, plating the insides MAY reduce turbulence a bit, but IMHO would be piss-all difference. Doesn't mattter either way, the plating doesn't make it all the way in....

MrThc - told ya - pics just CANNOT do them justice. Mesmerising to see in the flesh huh....

Ok, ok, I can't help but ask - Mack-daddy, talk me through the logic behind this post (in reference to plating the insides):

Seriously though that'd make more sence from a cooling perspective

[Mack 10]

The whole point of having these precious metals, other then the aesthetics, is that they conduct the heat better don't they? So I was thinking that if the inside was plated as well wouldn't it transfer the heat better to the water than if the other metal, say copper, OK I better think about it ... :rolleyes: I'm not to sure nope not sure, to tired, it might not make a difference unless there was a ream(?) of silver, say, all the way through to the water, that'd work better, cost heaps more, like those zalman copper and alu heat sink flowers.

I'll go do a little S of the FW

[mird-OC]

and as stated earlier in the thread the finish is and was only ever meant for aesthetic purposes only.

there would be almost zero performance gain from doing it, as not only is the coating very thin but also because copper as a heat transfer material is at worse, only fractionly less effective than any other material you could use (including silver).

[Mack 10]

OK I'm completly confused, I can't work out weather more heat gets radiated into the water or conducted into the water :confused:

You gotta be able to justify it Mird, even if you are only getting like .1 of a degree improvement, at least then you can say, "yep, I got it cause it works better" with a silly grin on your face, instead of, "yep I got it cause its got alot more of a wank factor to it" :p

[mird-OC]

umm both... pretty much. a heat source radiates heat - as long as there is an appropriate thermal junction a CPU will radiate heat into a waterblock and the water inside it.

as copper has a higher thermal capacity than water, the water will not only conduct some of the radiated heat from the CPU, but also the heat stored in the waterblock. you could use a waterblock with no bottom (i.e. direct die cooling) but in the case of an AMD CPU the size of the initial heat source is very small, so you're almost definitely gonna do better to make use of all that extra copper to allow the water to conduct more heat.

does that make sense? i'm not sure. it's late, i'm babbling.

but you're saying i have to justify it? FFS!! what world do you live in?!? ;)

[Mack 10]

wha bta what? I was blabbling, I'm half asleap:o, um , I was just trying to justify to myself spending the money to set my self up with one as "my first water block" and I'm gonna do it damn it, no matter what you say :mad: :o

oh hang on I see what your getting at, know I was talking in some kind of sence where its not pointing at you, kinda like
:o
*Old man yeller* "Now lookey here son ya can't go up to a woman on the dance floor and tell her what ya wanna do, you gotsta justify, make her think shes getten more than she izzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

hehe "know" hehehe :o

I'm not even gonna atemp to correct that one, time for bedybys I think:o

[Volenti]

Originally posted by Mack 10
OK I'm completly confused, I can't work out weather more heat gets radiated into the water or conducted into the water :confused:



All the theory I've seen indicates that convection is responsible for 99.9% of the heat transfer from the water block/heatsink to the water/air.

[Tojja]

I thought perhaps if you had to follow your own logic Mack, that you'd soon realise the flaws in your argument - I was 3/4 right..

We are getting confused with terminology here. As Volenti points out, next to zero heat is "radiated".

Some defintions for ya:

Conduction is the transfer of energy through matter from particle to particle

Radiation: Electromagnetic waves that directly transport ENERGY through space (like sunlight through the (near) vacuum of space)

Convection is the transfer of heat by the actual movement of the warmed matter


In a waterblock, you are CONDUCTING heat from the heat source, through particles in the copper. This represents a thermal barrier to heat transfer, but it is quite low resistance (say, compared to aluminium). But we need this so that we can spread the heat source to a larger area to convect heat to the water running through our channels. There is of course a balance to be struck between spreading the heat too much (e.g. thick base) and creating too much thermal resistance, and the opposite also.

If you really want to be picky - and Mack, please take this as beiong completely anally retentive and actually of no real-life consequence - the gold adds a further bit of metal that the heat must conduct through, and thus may ACTUALLY represent a slight decrease in performance.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WE ARE TALKING NOTHING - MAYBE .001C.

MAYBE. Probably less. But I guarentee you wont notice any difference.

The whole point of having these precious metals, other then the aesthetics, is that they conduct the heat better don't they?

To answer your questions (which if you can be bothered actually reading back a page, was already answered in point 1.), NO. It is there to make the blocks look ****-hot. Mate, tiredness is no excuse. Sort it out eh....

[whetu]

To make it very simple:

Any gains/losses made will be balanced because really its an EXTRA interface, so therefore the gains/losses will be well inside the margin of error of say... a head to head performance comparison (which can be upwards of 1-2c).

[-DC-]

so if/when this pretty block come out, what is the price/performace comparison between the cyclone5? or even comparing with the basic surge itself? - as there isn't much performance diff.

[whetu]

compared to the C5 - With no current pricetag and c/w rating on the plated surges, I will assume a p/p rating (ppr) of around 360ppr VS C5: NZ$136.84/0.34 c/w = 402.47ppr (lower is better)

compared to a standard Surge - 360ppr VS Surge: NZ$89.00/.36 c/w = 247.22ppr

*nb. Prices for the surge and c5 are based on the RRP's specified by the manufacturer, and the NZ$ price on the C5 uses todays exchange rate, calculated at www.anz.co.nz

*nb. The ppr rating was something I just made up, it literally uses the formula defined in the name "price/performance" except doesnt use a ratio layout. Performance ratings were obtained from dansdata.

*nb. The ppr rating on the new surges assumes a certain price increase for the plating, and assumes the performance rating of the standard surge... It will be in the 300-400ppr bracket, before you start calculating backwards, the 360 rating IS rounded... so it could be anywhere between 355 and 364.. which it is I'm not telling ;)

[Mack 10]

yea OK I was wrong :)

Do you manufacture the water blocks yourself toija or are they designed by you then built elsewhere?

[Tojja]

A mixture. 'nuf said.

Next.

[Binky Stunt Cat]

*points at custom status*
:p