water blocks..

[Method]

Umm whats the diference between them? a copper slab with a grove cut so the water can flow thru?

What kind of diferences does say liquid cc's and silverprop's blocks have? part from the price and one is made in nz :D.

havnt had time to look @ reviews sorry :( , no time due to exams:cool: and i thought u guys would know anyway because there arnt like a million wblocks to choose from.

Looking at liquidcc's stie the IceBlock has a diferent mounting mechanism to the Surge mainly to put a peltier between. Can u use it without a peltier? and without its coldblock? (so i can upgrade to a peltier system when i get more money)

[mird-OC]

the main differences are:

a) aesthetics
b) water channel shape/design
c) materials used
d) price

water channel design can mean the difference between a good block, and a stellar block. although it's often not a big difference, a more complex water channel design (such as what is implemented in silverprops latest blocks) usually offers an advantage (but of course this affects the price).

to put it plain and simple - you can't go wrong with a liquidcc block ;)

[Method]

oh tru tru and i just noticed that the surge has approx 10 mm longer channel than ice block witch could affect preformance too, whats a good block? i have approx 250 to spend on block and pump. pump is around 125 for the ehem 1046 i think its 1046 its 600l/h i think, my memory sux0rz :P so that leavs me with with 125 for the block. Whats a good block for that price? dangerden seem to have quite a range and totaly diferent channeling :S. whats a good one for that price?

[whetu]

hint - spend the extra and get the 1048... the 1046 has a 3/8" output wheras the 1048 has 1/2" output which is really what you want to be getting...

[Method]

Yeah thats the one i was meaning, i should have checkd it out but my sister was having a spas coz she wanted to use the computer >.<.

Ok what i have planned so far is.

Eheim 1048 Water Pump. 600 l/h, 147mm Long x 75mm Wide x 118mm High

Im looking at the;
Silverprop Cyclone - Socket A Waterblock

and

LiquidCC Surge Socket A, Bundled With Standard Attachment Mechanism

I want one with good preformance, money doesnt matter aslong as its not overpriced eg $200. Also wheres a good place to buy watercooling geers? or arnt i aloud to ask in the forums :P

What would be good is also if it could fit a cold plate like the Iceblock, but i think the surge outpreforms the iceblock doesnt it?

[Sydog]

Get the LCC surge, it'll probably be cheaper and better than a foreign block. You can get them from most website run companies, eg Styles , Dragon, Ascent, Starlyte ect.

[-DC-]

well... i could prolly sell you my iceblock if i can get my hands on a Dangerden kit (from friend)...

i'll talk to you on msn about it

[Method]

ok sweet DC, umm How good does the iceblock run without a peltier? and you can use it without the coldplate ay?

[ktulu]

Originally posted by Method
ok sweet DC, umm How good does the iceblock run without a peltier? and you can use it without the coldplate ay?

if you're asking questions like this, I'd suggest you pay www.liquidcc.co.nz a visit

[Method]

It doesnt say on there site, ive had a look.

The link to the reviews doesnt work ether.

I mite email them bu i thought you would know and it'l take the hassle out me emailing them (i use a hotmail like thing on 56k).

[mird-OC]

the surge has it's water channel - in particular the entry point - designed specifically for socket A CPUs, and also has a slightly thicker base in an effort to aide heat transfer from the relatively small contact patch with AMD CPUs.

the iceblock has a slightly different channel design accompanied by a thinner base and is suited specifically to peltier cooling applications. due to the size constraints of the socket A platform, the mounting mechanism is attached to the coldplate which is then fastened to the block. this means two things: a) you can't mount the block without the coldplate, and b) you need to modify your case to accomodate the mounting mechanism.

in saying that you could use an iceblock without the coldplate, but you'd need fabricate your own clamp. however it still wouldn't perform quite as well as a surge block anyway :)

[Method]

Oh bugger.. Im looking at the silverprop now, because You can use it with or without a coldplate.

I havnt lookd at the dangerden range of waterblocks yet tho, i noticed styles doesnt sell them anymore, anyone know why?

[Method]

Wow dd have alot of blocks.

I also had a look at a waterblock shootout, the link posted priviously in these forums and found that the blocks were within a few *f of eachother so not much diference between the later moddels of the more popular brands i guess?

[mird-OC]

the reason styles no longer stocks DD products is probably because by the time they were landed here, they were just too expensive, and would be hard to sell when you can get a perfectly good LiquidCC block for considerably less.

but yeah, they're all pretty similar performance wise... so much so that the block is the least of your worries when it comes to watercooling now. there are much bigger gains to be had with proper thought and planning going into the rest of the loop - primarily the pump and heat-exchanger(s).

[Method]

Yeah, i have that sorted i hope. a blackice 120mill a quies 120mill fan and ehem 1048 pump. And i think il get silicone tubing.

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Method
Yeah, i have that sorted i hope. a blackice 120mill a quies 120mill fan and ehem 1048 pump. And i think il get silicone tubing.
to understand more what i mean, read this article:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips915/

[Method]

Yeah, but all its saying is you need big flow rate with the water block rad and tubing and also that you have to look how much psi a pump can put out rather than the L/H.

I want my set up so sit inside my case, if I didn’t and money permitted id me getting the rad off a truck at the car wreckers or something like that and a water blaster as the pump and make a water block with like 1 inch fittings and channel but im not. (Or maybe I totally missed the point of the Brute Force Water cooling article, which is not surprising)

My 1/2 inch tubing isn’t that big ether, it would be nicer if I could get 1 inch tubing but then the water block and the rad would slow the rate of flow down and itl be pointless unless I got a more powerful pump. Offcourse im going to make all the curves as gentle as possible not to slow the water down, I wont be using elbows and stuff or I will try not to.

In my water I will use something like water wetter.

In the near future I also plan to use a Peltier but I don’t have enough money to even consider having one now.

I figured because my case is not that big this set up would be the best although I don’t know the flow rate of the radiator I guess it will be fine? Im sure some of you could tell me how good the black ice preforms (the 120 mill version)?

As I don’t have much money the ehem 1048 is the best I can afford that is quiet and doesn’t have to be submerged in water. As the article stated the 600L/h figure is worthless, I don’t know how much pressure it puts out and even I did I wouldn’t know what to do with the figures.

In conclusion im pretty amateur with things to do with water cooling and am here to seek help and your advice on products.

what does it mean by Low Pressure Drop Radiator? The blackice is one