Does no one love MSI...... or ....

[Agent666]

are they just the most trouble free boards on the planet......

[SilverPriest]

Not my brothers K7TPRO2A
Evil POS board.
Nice vid cards tho...

[theYANK]

I had an MSI Kt266 board before this, I loved it. It was a little quirky about overclocking, but I got my 1.33 to just over 1.6. I think they make pretty good boards, just a bit more show than go, though.

[mird-OC]

i loved my MSI K7TPro2A... that is until it blew up... and then blew up again... and again... and AGAIN. now i curse the evil heathen.

[_N_]

my MSI 6309 was the best board I ever owned.
under 200$, it was the best back in 99.
supported up to 200MHz fsb for scket370. got my celeron up to 147FSB on that board. really stable board, heaps of features.
I couldn't complain. that was my experince with MSI and I was happy.

[whetu]

MSI = fast onto the market, cheap and feature packed.

I'm still on my MSI K7T Turbo-R and I love it... one of the most stable non-asus boards i've ever used. The last two vid cards i purchased for my system were both MSI cards too and they have performed well for the price paid... so I might stick with MSI for a while yet... cos asus is still a tad pricy for my student @55

[Tangy]

i just got my first MSI motherboard secondhand

a K7T266 Pro version 1.0 for $145
and i cant get it to go..no manual and none on the net! anyone able to help?

Prob is that it powers up (fans etc) but no display.

Have checked vid, cpu, ram, psu in another comp & they all work sweet as

[Humantuckshop]

No users manual? Dude you need to look harder. :p ie: connect to the internet before you search.

Download it from here: http://www.msi.com.tw/php/upload/manual_files/6380v10b.exe


OMFG! All I did was go the MSI website! :rolleyes:

Seriously tho, the K7T266 is a hella evil POS mobo - I had 3 of them all faulty - they are a disaster. I don't want to go into details as the memories cause me great pain. :confused:


*Wonders where the hell the EVIL SMILEY is*

[Antallica]

Hate the brand, my grannies system has a SDRAM model, can't say exactly what it cause I really don't know. I really don't like it cause of the name, 'MSI' doesn't really seem quite flashy. But damn my grannies pc is slow even with a total format it make no difference. I suspect the crap grade 64mb pc133 ram and shoddy 10GB hdd (can't blame the Duron 700 though hehe :D). Onboard vid is not too bad though (16MB one, can't remember what MSI names their onboards), I was crankin SOF & American McGees Alice @ 1024x768 and it was rather smooth.

[Gremlin]

I brought the MSI nforce board when it was first released and to be honest it wasn't too bad for a brand-new chipset and with nforce it was most definately feature packed I mean heck an onboard GF2 MX aint tooo shabby :) (and the wife sure like it now that its in her machine).

They definately need a little more work on their BIOS's though, wasn't till about the 2.3 BIOS that the board seemed to 'settle down'

[Into Eternity]

I have just purchased the MSI 645 Ultra and it is the ****. Frontside overclockable to 200Mhrz, nice Vcore settings along with Dram ratio's and a live bios update eliminating the old school way of flashing. The only draw backs are no USB 2.0, no ATA 133, and no support for the P4 533 FS bus. Not to worry SIS just announced their new 648 chipset that will set MSI above the rest. USB 2.0, ATA133, Raid, and 533 FS bus support. It even supports AGP 8x which will make alot of the Asus Geforce 4 ti4600 people very happy. I can't wait to get me hands on this MB.

[Humantuckshop]

You've just purchased a P4 mobo that doesn't have USB 2.0, ATA133 or support for a 533MHz FSB?

I don't want to sound mean or anything, but: IMO that was a pretty stupid decision. :rolleyes: Oh well, each to their own........


ASUS GF4Ti4600!!!!!!?????????

FYI:
Asus suck! They incorporate 'cheat' softwarez into their drivers, FFS! :mad:

Basically ASUS are targeting 12 year olds who can't handle losing!

[Ragnor]

MSI don't really have a prescence in New Zealand, it seems the simple facts of the matter are that Soltek, Epox, Gigabyte and Abit make better and cheaper boards...

Soltek covers the budget gamer.. epox covers the hardocre overclocker and the mid range and abit covers the king jackal market (abit wh0r3's)... oh there's gigabyte too but yeah MSI aren't really worth the trouble it seems........

[Subside]

bah thats rubish ,. dunno how many times i have to say this lol
how many MSI boards have you owned?
i know they dont have a Great Brand Name , seems people that have never even used one are willing to bash it just because its not Abit or asus which are (overpriced underperforming)

their top end boards are cheaper than soltek and gigabyte
they are usually fully packed with features , they have very few problems (so many people have dead Epox boards for unknown reasons) i work with computers all day everyday , have had the chance to test and use 100's of different models from all difference brands, MSI are my fav brand due to their stabliltly, features and performance .. most of yous think they dont oc very well thats more rubish , they overclock as well as the BigOC brands. i was a big abit guy for a long time have owned about 5-6 abit boards in past, i was sucked into the hype and bs.
but i saw the light.heh dont buy boards based on past rep or dodgy site reviews or think because the price is higher the board must be better . use common sense in buying a mainboard.
id have to say 85% mainboard problems are actully user faults

blah blah .... red =faster!!!!

[whetu]

welcome along subside, its good to see someone else defending MSI, MSI = teh r0x0r

[Into Eternity]

Can I get an Amen. MSI's the first Mother board manufacturer to support DDR 333? Their Geforce 4's ti4600 are running a lot faster than almost all the other guy's, with ASUS and visiontek trailing behind. Also MSI always has a ton of extra's that don't usually come with other boards. I have to agree that there is a mob mentality regarding EPOX and ABIT amongst the OCer's. I think once the SIS 648 chipset becomes released on MSI boards, it will be a force to be reckoned with. Though it would be nice to have PCI and AGP dividers and RAM/AGP Vcore adjusters. That is my only complaint. And I have never seen an MSI board that was more then 200.00 CAD. And that's with RAID, USB 2.0, ATA133 and 533Mghertz FS bus.

[mird-OC]

i think biostar was the first to have DDR333 support... ;)

[Humantuckshop]

Woot! I thought teh Iwill XP333 was the first mobo with DDR333 support? :eek:

[NTBlowz]

Originally posted by Humantuckshop
Woot! I thought teh Iwill XP333 was the first mobo with DDR333 support? :eek:
That was what I am thinking...

Anyway, I luv MSI board since they have good tweaks and features on their mobo, which unlike some company *cough*gigabyte*cough*

[Tojja]

MSI - gets my thumbs up - my Pro2A didnt have THAT many features, but I never had any real issues with it. And it only died once.

[Diluded]

Well I have taken quite a liking to MSI lately
I had a kt266a

NOW have
KT3 Ultra
MSI Geforce4 mx 460
MSI dragon burn cdrw

call be a label basher

I like the stuff
I hate gigabyte had two of there boards ....poof
ASUS: to quirky
Epox: non standard AGP placement
Jetway: BUDGET junk
DFI: real quirky
Chaintec: not too reliable



by the way I work on thses boards everyday in the shop so I sort of have an idea

MSI have the best install cd IMO
next up jetway with there "magic install"

[swiftynz]

Originally posted by Diluded
Well I have taken quite a liking to MSI lately
I had a kt266a

NOW have
KT3 Ultra
MSI Geforce4 mx 460
MSI dragon burn cdrw

call be a label basher

I like the stuff
I hate gigabyte had two of there boards ....poof
ASUS: to quirky
Epox: non standard AGP placement
Jetway: BUDGET junk
DFI: real quirky
Chaintec: not too reliable



by the way I work on thses boards everyday in the shop so I sort of have an idea

MSI have the best install cd IMO
next up jetway with there "magic install"
ah you would be one of the people at the hastings pc exchange that sold my cousin an MSI nforce board (cant remember the exact model). i had a look at it and it seems like an ok board, but obviously i havent used it extensively. he certainly hasn't had any problems with it (apart from frying his cpu!! :p) and never stopped boasting about it to me ;).

as far as MSI goes i have heard bad things about their motherboards but having never owned one i cant really comment. but their graphics cards are very good and i certainly wouldn't hesitate to get another one if it was competitively priced with the leadteks.

all motherboard makers have models that are good and some not so good. i have a gigabyte 7dxr+ and its brilliant, yet everyone bashes them (but none who owned this board :D).

[Diluded]

Yes I have to agree with you those nforces were a bit of a pig, we must have got a bad batch. Must have been MSI wanting to be first to get them out and nopt ironing all the bugs out first:mad:
We only do the asus nforces now and I really dont like them either (nforce=yuk) and a pain in the buttocks for win98.

[whetu]

The MSI nforces had a PCI-timing problem that should have been fixed in a recent bios release. It most likely does have to do with MSI being first on the market with nforce1.

Pain in the buttocks for win98? Who cares? 98 SUCKS.
read again: windows ninety-eight SUCKS. 9x is dead, its time to move on. (all the whitepaper beauty of Nforce and DDR and you're using 98? one word: HEADCHECK ;))

Nforce isnt that bad, give it a break ;) The only problem with nforce IMO is bad timing. We knew about nforce for how long? IT came out how long after the competing Via product?

We've known about nforce2 for how long now? I'm still waiting to get one. This time I'm going from my MSI back to an Asus board. MSI and Asus are the two brands I've NEVER had trouble with. (Iwill on the other hand have always given me trouble)

In my room now there are 3 Asus boards, 1 MSI and 1 Abit. My reasoning for not going for the cheaper and more featurepacked MSI - first on market problems that are typical of MSI, and the MSI doesnt have the mounting holes required by LiquidCC waterblock products :p

[Viper_NZ]

Originally posted by Diluded
Yes I have to agree with you those nforces were a bit of a pig, we must have got a bad batch. Must have been MSI wanting to be first to get them out and nopt ironing all the bugs out first:mad:
We only do the asus nforces now and I really dont like them either (nforce=yuk) and a pain in the buttocks for win98.

WTF have you been smoking?? I dare you to name a cheap, integrated solution that comes anywhere close to the nForce. What about one that is upgradable?? HARDWARE sound?? A Network adapter that rivals the best on the market for performance??

nForce was seriously under rated IMO. My A7N266-C runs practically without a hitch. The sound is awesome, the performance is great. And they're $60US atm!!!

I spend most days building machines with A7N266-VM's and have yet to have a faulty board, or an issue getting something working with them. They're perfectly stable and their performance is mint.

The Windows 98 drivers are fine. Windows 98 isn't.

I've used a few MSI K7N420 Pros. And had no problems with them either. (And they're red... red = fastar!!)

Oh wait... I have had ONE problem with my nforce, and that's it didn't like my Netgear NIC. It wasn't a big deal to use another one.

[varkk]

Just a quick note about win9x, the 9x part stabnds for 90s as in last century, the world has moved on so should you...


says the man running a slot 1 cpu and win98 :p

[Diluded]

ummm you may have missed the point
some CUSTOMERS demand that they want an nForce but will not update their OS
I hate 98 as well as the next guy
Blah blah blah

[Viper_NZ]

Originally posted by Diluded
ummm you may have missed the point
some CUSTOMERS demand that they want an nForce but will not update their OS
I hate 98 as well as the next guy
Blah blah blah

I feel your pain. We get a few customers who get annoyed when we tell them they can't keep their 7 year old copy of Windows 95 on their new Athlon XP/Pentium 4. I just doesn't support AGP, most new hardware or even something as simple as USB (although later versions did)

Again tho, I've never had a problem with nForce + Win98

[_N_]

I've installed win95 7th edition sucesfully on AGP computers and works fine with USB too, way faster then 98 and way more stable,
eg, there is a computer running on it for 2 years now with no problems and it's really stable etc...

as much as win 9x/me are not good, i still need it to play old games, use my tv tuner with a software decoder to work properly, and some other stuff, :(

[Haydan Tompkins]

I've got a MSI K7T266 Pro2 board, works well once I'd worked out the initial bugs and flashed the bio's, all my probs where caused by me :) havn't had much to do with computers since my old p100, so alots changed since then.

No support at all though, and I never could get there live update to work, even with broard band, it'd get half way through and then go dead. Flashing the bios is pinna though.

[City_Idiot]

*MSI Rant Mode Enguaged*
MSI… Well yes hmmm,

My experience (limited I grant that) with MSI so far is bad all BAD. I brought a Kt3 Ultra 2R (6380e Version 1.0) off pp.co.nz about a month ago was running fine after a couple of minor glitches in the bios that stopped me installing WINXP until I changed them (read default settings!) It was fine till I took it all apart to remove the thermal tape and put some AS3 on the CPU… Power on…..

Make coffee….


Nothing. Zip and the D-Bracket was showing a IDE int error. $^$^$#$
Take it all apart look for blown caps and black marks nothing. I put it all back together and it works so I’m like “mint”
Then when I bring my sys home after a small LAN and power up it works fine for about 10min till I get a random reboot. #$$#$. Nothing on the screen
<Insert twilight music>
Reset CMOS and I get the same
Look at the D-Bracket and “IDE int error”
So my natural troubleshooting skills kick in. Stripped it all down. Same. Diff CPU, Ram Vid Etc. Same. I post on here and no one can help so I post on the MSI forums… And I thought GP was bad

Even the mod’s over there seem to be bad I kept hitting the brick wall that is the excuse “your PSU is not big enough or is damaged places get a new one at least 400w if you want to run a AXP and GF4” WTF? I have read about 5 threads now with the same issue and they are all the same board and same batch. Most remain unsolved, 1 fixed it’s self like me the first time. I have gotten these people together and have e-mailed MSI as to a possible design fault or bad Chip batch and I will RMA my board on Monday but up until now I have not seen anything to suggest that MSI boards are stable as some claim or as good as most claim. I am aware that this is my first and only MSI board and this will not put me off for life but the next few days and the E-Mails back from MSI and the ease of RMA will determine if I will buy MSI anytime soon or if I will recommend it to others
*Warning Caffeine Levels Low Rant Mode Disengaged*

[ghsot7]

ive got a ms6309 motherboard (think its that) its quite good and havent had any troubles with it so far had it since 00, it was nice and cheap:)

[_N_]

cool, i use to have that board for years, real good board,

[Antimatter]

I just heard today that a KT133 mainboard we sold almost 2 years ago has died.
It's the only MSI board we sold new, although I have replaced a fair few others when they died.

[Man]

I have never had any experience with MSI, but I am about to im pretty sure. The first computer I ever knew anything about (still got it) was a bcm, they are still producing stuff, but went bankrupt or something, anyway its a really decent board and has been really reliable, being made (my model of it) to run a P1 233 MMX or a K6 333 Max, its been able to overclock to run a K6-II+ 450. The machine is running WinXP, and the only thing thats ever gone in it is the PSU.. pretty good I felt.

Next computer, a gigabyte 6bxc.. I know alot of people with this board, the only reason I got this was because it was free :D fully working computer (just no HDD) from my dads work. Well as I was looking at upgrading it, I didnt have much idea what it could do, so I e-mailed giga-byte and they hepled me out. (stupid PCB version 1.9, put all the good stuff in your next version 2.0, cant even gaunentee a GF2 MX card if I dont have v2) well I ignored all of that and I dont really stress it out but it seems to run the gf2.

At the time of my next computer I went for giga-byte again, as the shop closed, and cheapest out of all the shops around me, sold mainly Asus, and Gigabyte, and the Gigabytes seem to be more feature packed than the Asus, and only about 2 MSI's were on sale, and they were the cheaper boards with not so many features... well The board seems great, havent overclocked it as its got crap RAM in it, when I get some better RAM ill see how far I can push it, but ive had it for a while the GA-8SQ800 Ultra.

Now I need to make a computer for a friend, and I saw the MSI I865PE Neo2, well it seems a really great board. The shop only sells the Neo2-S but i think I cant get them to order in a more featured version if I need it.. All I want to know if its a good board or if I should look maybe somewhere else. The board is not for gaming, so over clocking isnt as immportant, reliability is more here, thats why I was going to go ASUS, but their boards seem to be over rated, and have few features for the $. (Thats also why I've gone P4/AMD for reliability (+ im getting a 3gig 800 FSB))

Just tring to start talk, but also would like to know a good mobo for p4, and it dont have to be cheap if its of good quality.