Headphones

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Ok my GameTheatre XP is only about 3 weeks away from arriving.
At the mo I have no decent speakers for it. So I've decided that as I am going to start LANing I would prefer to get a decent set of headphones first.
Anyone got recommendations/links. Could probably go as high as $150-$200 for a set which will last a few years and has l337 features etc...

[Artifice]

in that case go down to dick smiths, they have some wireless sets that are just awesome...

[whetu]

Philips SBCHP840's

mmmm they will be mine.. oh yes.. they will be mine

the big plus for them (apart from generally kicking ass) is that the cable is detachable from the headphones themselves.. this immediately reduces the most common form of wear and tear on higher end headphones, which is the conductors where they go into the headphones. I've had to perform surgery on my headphones to fix this problem a few times now...(i've now get everything snugly encapsulated in a mix of hardened epoxy and heatshrink.. it wont break again anytime soon) so the 840's are definately a top option for me

this is from an UBER HIGH RES image of the headphones, resized for dial up sufferers... look carefully.. see where the cord goes in.. UNPLUGGABLE :D
http://www.geekflat.orcon.net.nz/images/philips.jpg

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

What are the Philips ones like for positional sunds (don't know the correct term). I was looking at the Xitel Force Feedback ones but did a search on the net and it looks like they are very problematic, not to mention have been discontinued.

[Joshsti_NZ]

I only buy Sony gear, nothing else, Sony 0wns j00!!

I have some MDR-V300 - $130 odd from DSE/Sony in Welly has them for $109 i think ...

:D :cool:

[Joshsti_NZ]

Also ... despite what some folk say, they aren't un-comfortable!

[SilverPriest]

Sony aren't that great dude.
It's like Nike or Reebok
A stupid brandname.
I would rather have philips headphones anyday.

[Joshsti_NZ]

Oh well, i like what i like lol :P

[SilverPriest]

Too true :)
Different strokes for different folks ;)

[Viper_NZ]

Originally posted by Gh0s7 L3mUr
What are the Philips ones like for positional sunds (don't know the correct term). I was looking at the Xitel Force Feedback ones but did a search on the net and it looks like they are very problematic, not to mention have been discontinued.

Those Xitel headphones sound bloody incredible!!!!

They have issues with the little volume control box..... Mine stuffed out and to the best of my knowledge Ovoskeuiks has them somewhere.....

[Geek4Life]

My stepdad has some beyerdynamic DT-770's. They're one nice set of head phones, but they cost a fair bit. He uses them for music work.

[whetu]

anything within red circles is BAD
http://www.geekflat.orcon.net.nz/images/sony.jpg

bad bad bad.. i hate dualside cabling on headphones.. its irritating and doubles the chance of stuff ups

sony: anything sony that i have owned with a value under $200 has not lasted outside 3 months regardless of how well i treat it... so i despise them.. plus they are enforcing cd copy protection crap.. how can you like them for that??? co-developers of the format and they blatently defy the redbook standard.. set out by them!!!

in saying that however, 99% of my high res photos are taken with sony digital cams, and i have a few years experience working with sony dvcam/dvcampro editing under premiere...

[Viper_NZ]

Now watch as they take themselves to court for violating their own standard ;)


Or Philips can do that for the good of all mankind

[KingJackal]

I only buy Sony gear, nothing else, Sony 0wns j00!!

:eek: OMFG!! :eek:

Dude, seriously - FORGET Dick Smith, Sony, and whatever average people use.

Find a place that sells Koss or Seinheiser phones - they're within your price range ( I reeeeaaaally want some Koss UR-30's ), and fully 0wn. Koss and Seinheiser are respected names in the music and DJing scene for a good reason - their audio reproduction isn't all marketing hype. It's solid engineering and a commitment to quality products.

D@mn, it's a shame you're in Timaru - you should road-trip up here and w[H]0r3 the ChCh Hi-Fi stores for a day - seriously, good phones will re-define what you think sounds 'good'.

www.koss.com (http://www.koss.com/)

http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/files/graphics/$file/UR30_lg.jpg

Trust me, after listening to those, coming home and putting on my Sony MDR-G56's ( granted, only a $40ish pair ) I nearly cried. They.... just.... sound... so... crap... now.... :(

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Any stores in particular KJ? :D

Those definitely look damn nice. :cool:

Also should have mentioned that I'm trying to get a balance between quality (as in audiophile) and features (like directional sound... I heard -may have been rumour, may have been a future product- but aren't their headphones that can replicate surround sound to some extent. I see this as being extremely useful in a gaming enviroment where knowing exactly where that shot came from can mean the difference between servival and being fragged) in the headphones I get.

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Gh0s7 L3mUr
Any stores in particular KJ? :D

Those definitely look damn nice. :cool:

Also should have mentioned that I'm trying to get a balance between quality (as in audiophile) and features (like directional sound... I heard -may have been rumour, may have been a future product- but aren't their headphones that can replicate surround sound to some extent. I see this as being extremely useful in a gaming enviroment where knowing exactly where that shot came from can mean the difference between servival and being fragged) in the headphones I get.

Forget looks - you ought to feel and listen to them...
*drools*

I first heard the Koss UR-30's ( they will be mine, oh yes - they WILL be mine... :D ) at Bob Brown's HiFi. Some of his demo stuff sucks - so take a disc yourself ( he really likes good classical songs, even if the recording is so bad you can hear the hiss, lol :p ).

There are also tons down moorhouse ave - including the evil Sony Experience store ( Out! D@mn spot! ) :D

Basically, you want to run around with a couple of good CDs - I've done it once or twice. A trace CD ( ala Gatecrasher ) and a classical CD will probably work out most things ( trace for range and treble, classical for bass ;) ).

Koss/Seinheiser phones are very comfortable to wear - you'll notice that difference instantly. They come with nice long cables, and the sound tends to give you goosebumps, hehe :D.

As for surround headphones - I don't know, but I think they're extrememly expensive ( the ones that do it properly, anyway ).

[whetu]

for surround just get some normal headphones and get a soundcard with either sensaura or qsound algorithms... even with eax or a3d turned off i can still position enemies VERY accurately, and have been accused of cheating a lot because of it...

[Py7h0n]

I have the Phillips 840's .... they rock .... Great High and Low end.... and a VeRy Looooooong cable (+-2M)

$130-140 (depending where you go)

Dunno where you can get them down there tho .....

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

'I have never and will never buy anything of any vaue from a store in Timaru.' :mad: ;)

What I'll either do is go to ChCh or get them shipped. Stores down here are soooo expensive.

[Genesis]

Originally posted by KingJackal
[B]

Forget looks - you ought to feel and listen to them...
*drools*

I first heard the Koss UR-30's ( they will be mine, oh yes - they WILL be mine... :D ) at Bob Brown's HiFi. Some of his demo stuff sucks - so take a disc yourself ( he really likes good classical songs, even if the recording is so bad you can hear the hiss, lol :p ).

Basically, you want to run around with a couple of good CDs - I've done it once or twice. A trace CD ( ala Gatecrasher ) and a classical CD will probably work out most things ( trace for range and treble, classical for bass ;) ).

Koss/Seinheiser phones are very comfortable to wear - you'll notice that difference instantly. They come with nice long cables, and the sound tends to give you goosebumps, hehe :D.


I couldnt friggin agree more! Koss are the most bestest headphones you can everybuy! :D If your a bass0r like me you'll love'em specially when your at those LAN's and you cant bring your bass speakers :P

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Well so far it looks like Koss it is. Of course subject to "road tip and testing". :)

[KingJackal]

Definately give Phillips/Seinheiser/whatever else a look too though. I only want the UR-30's cos I can't tell the difference between them and anything better ( ATM ;) ). Not to mention they're not an insane price.

$150ish from a HiFi store - if I every track down a wholesale stylez place for headphones, I'm sure they'd be closer to $120, and yes, then I would just HAVE to buy a pair.... :D :D

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

If your going to do that KJ. Please... please.... please do it before I go out and buy these things retail. :D

BTW what do those Philips ones go for?

[TheChosen_1]

I have the Philips, stereo Headphone SBC HP140, great set of headphone, very comfortable on the ears, and good sound. Has a 2 meter long cord and come with a jack for the stereo and for the back of your sound as well. They were $35 when i bought them but now they are cheaper not sure exactly what price though.
You can also ask SerN he has the same headphones, as after I bought mine he tried mine out liked them and went and bought one.
:D

TheChosen_1

[dustyslapper]

I have the Sennheiser HD200 - nice closed back headphones.
I think they are more comfortable then the Koss fones I tried, but thats me.

Closed back means the sound isn't as good as open back - but they are more useful for me as there is no sound leakage - they are a bit like earmuffs and they cut a lot of extraneous noise, and poeple standing next to you don't have to hear your music. Good for study in library.

And they are the phatest fones I have yet seen.

Sony are rubbish. You will be throwing them in the bin within a year - as soon as their cord goes you just toss them out. Complete crap. And as the guy in the hifi store told me when Imentioned I was looking at them "The japanese can't make a good speaker or a good headphone to save themselves - buy from someone else"


I don't know what Philips are like. A lot of their stuff is junk - but keep an open mind.


I wouldn't buy any phones where the parts aren't modular - if I sit my fat arse on them I can rip out the broken bits and replace them. Even in 10 years parts will be around. Sennheiser are like that.


Take a cd around, and have a good listen, and also buy for functionality and reliability.

[Geek4Life]

These are what my stepdad has http://www.beyerdynamic.com/pdf/dt770pro.pdf they're very nice indeed.

[Genesis]

Remember not to by pass Philips SBCHP170 - very nice headphones, got them myself :D

[Sydog]

sweet me si getting my Philips infa red headphones sometime this week, hehe means I can watch movies in bed without having to turn the sound up heaps to drown out the computer noise, thus not waking up peeps which isnt necesarily a bad thing

[Mashed_Penguin]

I fully agree with dustyslapper on the hd200's I have some and they sound great. A good Hi Fi store in Chch is the Top HiFi store on pilgrim pl. They have quite a good student discount too :D

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Sydog
sweet me si getting my Philips infa red headphones sometime this week, hehe means I can watch movies in bed without having to turn the sound up heaps to drown out the computer noise, thus not waking up peeps which isnt necesarily a bad thing
yes, i agree, it's hard to be discrete watching pr0n when you have to have it loud enough to drown out your computer... erm... yes, i agree...

[Sydog]

Well, there you have it

Anyhoo what other reason would it be, would you mind waking anyone else up while watching a normal movie, I think not

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Originally posted by Genesis
Remember not to by pass Philips SBCHP170 - very nice headphones, got them myself :D

Just got a pair today. Realized I needed a pair for L3#6, could afford to go for the Koss/etc in time so I thought for forty bucks I couldn't go wrong. It's good to know someone Likes them as I didn't know if I should get these or the HS800.

[Agent666]

I got the same ones ......... they do alright for $40 ....... would love to get something else but the budget aint that good ;)

[NTBlowz]

I got Sony MDR P180 headphones that came free with my Sony CD Walkan. The sound is pretty nice but after wearing for a long period my head start hurting...

[farns]

I just bought some Philips HP170's on Whetu's reccomendation and they seem fine, light and comfortable and quality seems fine,
they even sound perfectly clear with my ancient POS ESS 1869 audiodrive soundcard, no hiss !
I can only imagine the amazingness when I UPGRADE to AC97 onboard!! wohoo yay for AC97!

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Farns I am using my with my GameTheatre XP, and they still hold up well. :D
It makes me drool thinking of what a pair of those Koss headphones could do though. :p

[farns]

I cant imagine these sounding much better , I spose my soundcard is holding them back if anything is tho Koss would sound better with a good soundcard I guess

Only prob with these is they aint loud enuff heh maybe I am going deaf :)

[Antallica]

haha man everyone has the HP170's.... I do :D. Had them since last year, rather good huh :). Good along with my SB Live! DE 5.1 anyways :D

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by farns
Only prob with these is they aint loud enuff heh maybe I am going deaf :)

Good phones ( Koss, Seinheiser - anything that's pricey :D ) use significantly more effecient drivers. You'd be amazed - you can blow your eardrums out with some phones, even running off diskman's and the like.

It's all a matter of the quality of the phones. The volume, the clarity, the range, the durability.... ;)

[dustyslapper]

In my experience (of Sony discmans) the amplifier they use is pretty cheap. Big phones obviously take a little bit more welly to shift them, but I can hear the amplifier start distorting and clipping with my Sennheisers at "relatively" low volumes. I just can't go loud on my discman.

A soundcard, or a component CD player is a different thing though. Too loud and you've really got to start wondering about hearing loss though.

:p Its all going to catch up when I'm fifty:p

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Originally posted by dustyslapper
In my experience (of Sony discmans) the amplifier they use is pretty cheap. Big phones obviously take a little bit more welly to shift them, but I can hear the amplifier start distorting and clipping with my Sennheisers at "relatively" low volumes. I just can't go loud on my discman.

A soundcard, or a component CD player is a different thing though. Too loud and you've really got to start wondering about hearing loss though.

:p Its all going to catch up when I'm fifty:p

tehehe

But by then we'll all have implants and be bypassing the ears anyway. :D

[Jazzed]

Just went into DickSmith to get a pair of the HP 170's walked out with the HP 625's. :D someone had misslabled the stock with the same stock code as the 170's. Got em for $40, but on Amazon.com they are listed at US$99.98

WOOOT

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEE

WOOOOT AGAIN! :D

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Originally posted by Jazzed
Just went into DickSmith to get a pair of the HP 170's walked out with the HP 625's. :D someone had misslabled the stock with the same stock code as the 170's. Got em for $40, but on Amazon.com they are listed at US$99.98

WOOOT

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEE

WOOOOT AGAIN! :D

Damn, some people have all the luck. :mad: :D

All I got out of them was 2 packs of 10x 40spd Melody CDr's for the price of the 32spd. :(

[farns]

Originally posted by Jazzed
Just went into DickSmith to get a pair of the HP 170's walked out with the HP 625's. :D someone had misslabled the stock with the same stock code as the 170's. Got em for $40, but on Amazon.com they are listed at US$99.98

WOOOT

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEE

WOOOOT AGAIN! :D

nice:p

[Antallica]

ahh that's nothing.... I got my HP170's for free :D :p

[farns]

Whetu was really rude about my ESS1869 audiodrive soundcard but I actually get no hiss with my HP170s except a little at full bore and in Q3 I get directional sounds! I thought you needed a fancy EAX card for that he said! I dont get directional sound in SOF1 though but I think thats a Q2 engine game which might be something to do with it.

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

SOF1.... :eek:

What the hell are you playing that for anyway?? :D

[farns]

Cos I got a p3@504 ;)
And until recently I had an 8mb vidcard so I couldnt even play Q3, so Im catching up on all those great new games from year 1999 heh

[Volodkovich]

how much are those Sennheiser fones dustyslapper? Im interested in buying some Sennheisers (not sure which model) and would like to know how much they'll cost me on average.

[dustyslapper]

There is only one place that sells them in Dunedin. I got them over a year ago now. Stawberry Sound - not my favourite hi-fi store here, but they are Ok. www.strawberrysound.co.nz - real average website.

They were priced at $189.95, butI had a good long yarn to the guy there, and told him that I was a poor student, and he let me get them for $150.

This other guy at the same place I spoke to the day before said about $170 for a student cash deal, but lucky for me he was away when I actually had enough money to pay for them.


These fones are some of the cheapest that Sennheiser make. They start at about $80-100 maybe, but their phones you would buy for good hi-fi are really pitched up at around the $200-$600 mark for excellent stuff. Not the cheapest stuff you can buy, but you can spend more then that too if you want lol.

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
how much are those Sennheiser fones dustyslapper? Im interested in buying some Sennheisers (not sure which model) and would like to know how much they'll cost me on average.

From what I have heard they are in the same price bracket as Koss. So your looking at about $150+.

Have you looked at the Koss range? What were the factors that directed you to choosing the Sennheiser?

[Volodkovich]

well, i compared most Koss, and sennheiser fones, and saw the sennheiser's tended to have a larger freq. range, and a higher spl. But the thing that is leaning me towards sennheiser is they look phat - those koss' look damn ugly - like wearing to doughnuts on your ears..

[NTBlowz]

So only me got the sony headphone?:(

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Volodkovich
well, i compared most Koss, and sennheiser fones, and saw the sennheiser's tended to have a larger freq. range, and a higher spl. But the thing that is leaning me towards sennheiser is they look phat - those koss' look damn ugly - like wearing to doughnuts on your ears..

Interesting. I want some Koss phones - but not cos I read a website, rather cos I spent an afternoon listening to some. I'll have to go trawl around and find some Seinheiser's to compare with. I know they're a top brand ( read: 0wnz any Sony crap ), but it's just up to whether they compare with the experience the Koss UR-30's gave me ( and despite their looks, they are THE most comfortable phones I've worn.... which doesn't say a lot :rolleyes: )....

[Grrr!!]

they are THE most comfortable phones I've worn.... which doesn't say a lot :rolleyes: )....

Anything would be better than the ones I have, they're like putting your ears into a benchpress :(.

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Originally posted by Grrr!!


Anything would be better than the ones I have, they're like putting your ears into a benchpress :(.

Why don't you get a pair of HP170's. $40 wont brake the bank, and by the sounds of it they'll be a worth while investment. :D

[Wibber]

you should of had a go on on mine at l3#6 kj

[Volodkovich]

Originally posted by KingJackal


Interesting. I want some Koss phones - but not cos I read a website, rather cos I spent an afternoon listening to some. I'll have to go trawl around and find some Seinheiser's to compare with. I know they're a top brand ( read: 0wnz any Sony crap ), but it's just up to whether they compare with the experience the Koss UR-30's gave me ( and despite their looks, they are THE most comfortable phones I've worn.... which doesn't say a lot :rolleyes: )....

true dat - of course i wont buy $200ish headphones without listening to them, im just saying that purely off facts. When i buy, i'll compare some Koss ones aswell, just to see the difference.

[NTBlowz]

My friend bought a HP170 today, and here is what I think:

It has better surround sound than Sony MDR-P180 (which I own), but for bass Sony beat it pants down.

So for games HP170 maybe better but for music MDR-P180 wins.

HP170 cost $39 on DSE while MDR-P180 cost $44.95 on Sony's online shop.

I wonder what the difference between HP140 and HP170? Cos they cost the same!

[Geek4Life]

Well bass isn't everything. ;)

[Antallica]

It is if your a techno freak :D.... however a good mix of bass alongside good quality is my favourite. I have used better headphones that do better bass than my HP170's but I will keep my 170's because the quality is good. Rock on Philips :)

[NTBlowz]

And Sony's one sound a bit better than Philips... (the sound is more in harmony)

For quality they both CHINA made so I don't they have top notch quality than b4... (my house got a West German made Sony TV :D, that was 12 years old )

[AgentofEvil]

You can order koss headphones off their site, only US$35 for UR-30's. They ship internationally, but I couldn't find out how much it would be, it just said TBD.

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by AgentofEvil
You can order koss headphones off their site, only US$35 for UR-30's. They ship internationally, but I couldn't find out how much it would be, it just said TBD.

Thanks for that - I hadn't noticed!! :o

I'll DEFINATELY use that for leverage when negotiating price
*evil grin*
:D

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Originally posted by KingJackal


Thanks for that - I hadn't noticed!! :o

I'll DEFINATELY use that for leverage when negotiating price
*evil grin*
:D

Why don't you just get you mate to bring a pair back with the Tygon? :D

*foresees KJ's mate half filling the plane with stuff for OCNZ g33ks* :D

[Volodkovich]

well, this is from the headphone guide at headphone.com

If you need to block outside sounds you need a sealed headphone. Good sounding, inexpensive, sealed headphones practically don't exist. The only cheap sealed headphones that we know of that sound good are the Sennheiser HD 212 Pro and HD 202. Both these cans are darn good for the price and represent the only sub-$50 sealed cans that actually sound good to our ears. The Koss UR-20 and UR-30, and the AKG K-55 aren't too bad; the Koss sound a little muddy and boomy, but they aren't too bad for pop music

Im gonna get the Sennheiser HD212 Pro. Apparently its the best of the cheap headphones, it looks phat, and aint too expensive.

[Scorched]

If your after a really good set of Headphones..Drop into a Sony store a check these out.. Just bought a pair the other day...
Sony MDR7509 Studio Monitor Headphones

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Scorched
If your after a really good set of Headphones..Drop into a Sony store a check these out.. Just bought a pair the other day...
Sony MDR7509 Studio Monitor Headphones

*giggles*

You think Sony are good?

You think SONY ARE GOOD?

*giggles*

I think you'll find they're out of their league next to names like Seinheiser and Koss. I've tried plenty of Sony's ( my current pair are the $50 ish MDR-G56's ). And that's WHY I'm not considering them when I want to spend real money :D.

Lol - there's a Sony Experience store here. I've been in a couple of times, and yes - it can make you drool....

....if you know jack.

Lol, last time I went in there their 'big room' had a sub that.... um.... IMHO.... sucked.... lol, JBL's woulda eaten it for breakfast. But it looked nice, had lots of impressive numbers, and a shiny badge on the front.

I'll take quality engineering over shiny mass-production any day of the week.

Sony are a GREAT brand for those that think volume = quality, and haven't heard much finesse in a system before.
</RANT>

Can ya tell I'm not a Sony f4|\|b0y? :p
Lol - check their site out. Their biggest selling feature ( BEFORE sound quality ) is color-coordination.
ROFL.

Having said that, they do make good phones - just not generally for the price tags they attach to them. Did you manage to pull the old 'argue them down to half-price by showing them WHY they're S**T for the $$$s trick'?? ;)

[Antallica]

Sony........ pfft..... I agree with you KJ, Sony is flash, but I'd have Philips over them any day.... (or anything you recommend KJ :rolleyes: )

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Antallica
Sony........ pfft..... I agree with you KJ, Sony is flash, but I'd have Philips over them any day.... (or anything you recommend KJ :rolleyes: )

nnnoooooooooooooo......

Have I taught you nothing? Research, read, be edified, then independantly decide based on the evidence.

Aaaaahhh!! Za drones, zeh is multiplying!!....

:p

[Antallica]

I'd only buy pair if I have tested them myself........ opinions are good though, but of course I'm not gonna go buy whatever you say. I 'aint got the money anyways :(.

Must replace my Philips HP170's soon, could be better.

[Scorched]

Usually I would agree...Sony = Crap, cheap and nasty...Only the second piece of Sony equip I have ever owned...The rest of my HiFi gear is Denon, Linn, Infinity, and Marantz.
Looked around and listened to alot of headphones before taking the plunge on these.. (at $500 you take your time).. and for what I am doing with these..editing and mixing..I couldn't find a better pair for the price..
But then again thats just my thoughts..each to their own.

[Volodkovich]

the most expensive pair of heaphones sennheiser make cost $11k US....apparently they sound pretty good :) hehe

[Agent666]

but seriously how much better could you tell they were in a noisy environment..... compared with a $200 pair ....... my guess is that a $200 pair would be better than a kick in the nuts.......

[dustyslapper]

Philips make some awful stuff - some of the nastiest cheapest and ****tiest stuff I have sold has had a philips name emblazoned on the side.

Their VCRs have an enormous failure rate. Apparently one model they brought out had around 60-70% returned within 6 months. Also their stereos suck major arse, or at least all the ones that I remember do. They used to inlcude subs that would bark like dogs if you adjusted the bass level...

There widescreens are pretty good for such cheap machines though - their 32 inch models have some of the best geometary I have seen for a 'budget' TV, but apparently theres a new 32" LG...

The sound on good Sony TVs normally is a whole lot better then competitors. Also Sony VCRs, while not as reliable as Panasonic, are pretty decent in my opinion if you want something thats going to last.

The point being is that people who get all uppity about brand names, without looking at the product in question, are twits. I mean, WTF has Philips ever done for you?

Assess everything on its merits - if it sucks say so. Cheap Sony headphones can't compete, but god only knows about their high end monitoring phones - I haven't heard them. Mind you the way Sony market themselves makes me see them as wankers, but I still bought a nice Sony flat 21" for the sound - it was the best product in that catagory I could buy at the time. Afterall I bought a TV, I didn't buy identity with the product.

Tom, while I think he's a bit of a twit, had an interesting 'second hand smoke' about this a month ago.

Hmmmm.



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Sorry about that rant - butr I've sold electronics goods for too long now. Don't be offended :p - I tend to get a bit overexcited sometimes :rolleyes:

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Agent666
but seriously how much better could you tell they were in a noisy environment..... compared with a $200 pair ....... my guess is that a $200 pair would be better than a kick in the nuts.......

Tru dat.

That's why my headphone budget is around $150. Cos my gammy ears can't tell the difference between models past that ( so it's a waste of money to spend any more ).

Scorched, I didn't find that model on Sony's site ( they seem to think that curvy behind-the-head sports phones are all we care about - which is probably true for their average customer ) - it sounds like their engineers get to decide the products at that end of the spectrum ( their marketing department obviously make the decisions on their cheaper models ).

Shame though - even if they are good, they're way out of my price league :(. ( and my ear league, lol )

[whetu]

Originally posted by dustyslapper
The point being is that people who get all uppity about brand names, without looking at the product in question, are twits. I mean, WTF has Philips ever done for you?

Assess everything on its merits - if it sucks say so.

you make some good points, understand that i personally dont immediately go for philips, i do research and shop around.

what has philips done for me?
*provided hardy reliable products, i'm no philips whore but looking around my room i see the following:
philips AE
3x philips 17inch monitors (two of which are borrowed)
- addon philips multimedia base for the monitor that is mine
philips cellphone (i didnt choose it.. it was a free gift)
philips hifi
philips hp120 headphones

*provided next-day support from america for my soundcard, provided regular driver updates for my soundcard. (i still maintain my challenge to any other soundcard manufacturer to do the same, especially creative)

*provided a replacement remote control for my 9 year old hifi for the cost of postage (they threw in free batteries too), and sourced a couple of replacement parts from belgium for said hifi.

what have sony done for me?

*had a playstation go up in smoke after 3 months of use (it was a demo model, one of the first in the country - i worked for united video, regardless it should NOT have started smoking after 3 months of gentle use and handling)

*i once had a decent pair of sony headphones that died after that magical 3 month time period. I have had my hp120's for 4-5 years now, they started stuffing up early this year but at least it was fixable (took all of 5 minutes of soldering and heatshrinking)

*overpriced all their products for what they are.. i really like sony professional (eg broadcast) end dv cam and editing gear... i really dislike the horrid pricing that sony gives said products

but who's keeping track ;) (btw i treat my electronics no differently based on brand, only on age.. if its new i treat it with respect etc)

as an end user who bothers to contact philips directly, i have had a great experience with them. you as a seller however would have a different experience (eg dealing with people who return products) and different opinion based on that

[Agent666]

dusttyslapper agree with all that ....... to put it into computer terms and to open up a can o' worms ;)

... take people who think the audigy is crap because the only had a live....... or knew a second cousin who had one and didnt like it........

[dustyslapper]

Whetu,

I also quite like the sony DV stuff. Their Zeiss lense range is quite good, but memory stick isn't too hot for what you pay.

A friend of mine gets to do all his stuff with the DCR-2000 which is very, very nice for a handycam. Last year he was playing with some of full BetaCams or whatnot for a few months . Mind you a camera is only a camera, but he also had dollys and booms and stacks of lights...

Mind you, I'm a punk with a capture card and a chip on my shoulder ;) I did my first lot of shooting in VHSC and I don't regret it one bit:D