rolf at this reply and comparation from the saleman

[jk2l]

From: *removed*
To: *removed*
CC: *removed*
Subject: Re: *removed* computer
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:42:51 +1300

At 08:08 10/03/04, you wrote:


Hi ****

the computer that i was getting was only the price of $2700 and the computer that u gave the spec to is $3100.



i will send thru' new pricing Thursday ...



what is the meaning of changing my spec so much im not expecting the change this computer in about 3-4 years which means intel p4 is ok for what i need



http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,109580,00.asp I think the AMD Athlon XP 2800+ will be the best CPU for you at this stage. Much better than anything Intel can produce.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,652520,00.asp If AMD is good enough for CRAY - then it should be more than enough for the average user --> Hey if Intel were any good - CRAY would have went with them!

Intel has 'missed the Boat' with it's new itanium CPU by making it not backwards compatible. An emulator has to be used in order to run 32Bit applications --> Whereas AMD's Opteron will run both 64Bit and 32Bit applications Native ie no bottlenecks ... http://www.infosatellite.com/news/2002/01/h280102intel_yamhill.html



also i have decided that im going to have a dvd+rw not dvd-rw if that ok the Radeon 9800 XT 256Mb is fixed so dont change this it is only about $800 which is pretty good

i think i only need Microsft windows XP home



http://idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/81476e1c0cf66ad0cc256896007c00e7/08851d34f01a56c9cc256adf007829de!OpenDocument This article comes from the writer of the Windows Secrets books and he knows more about Windows than most people --> he is an Authority on Windows. Windows 2000 is fine for everything i run eg games, photoshop, word etc ...



can u please give me the prices for each item

thanks


***The $3100 spec it was talking about from the start***
>MSI KT6 Motherboard
>Microsoft Windows 2000
>512Mb DDR 400 ram
>Maxtor Quiet Hard Drive 160Gb 8Mb Cache
>icute Case & 400W Power Supply
>Wireless Keyboard & Mouse
>AMD Athlon 3000 XP cpu
>Soundblaster Live
>Chaintech Ti4200 128Mb Ram AGP video card
>Firewire pci card
>Samsung 753DFX 17" Monitor
>Genius Speakers & Subwoofer
>Linksys 10/100 Network card
>Sony DRU500a DVD +/- R/Rw drive
>
>2 years Return to Base warranty
>$3105.00 incl GST

***it is the "new pricing" talking about at second paragraph***
>icute Case with 400W Power Supply 180.00
>MSI KT6 Motherboard 200.00
>AMD Athlon XP 2800+ CPU 350.00
>Gigabyte 9800 XT 256Mb Agp videocard 845.00
>Maxtor Quiet 160Gb Hard Disk 200.00
>Windows 2000 Sp4 250.00
>Genius Speakers & Sub Woofer 100.00
>Wireless Keyboard & Mouse 80.00
>Optorite DVD writer +/- R/RW 200.00
> 2,405.00
>GST 300.63
>Total 2,705.63
>
>2 Year Return to Base warranty
>


*** the $2700 spec that was initially asked and b4 changed to AMD is***
P4 2.8C
Abit IC7 (or sound something like that)
dual channel 512MB 400 (brand unknown)
Sony DRU500a DVD +/- R/Rw drive
9800XT
bla blah bla like speakers, case, psu....
** i forgot ask him the detail of requested spec,


p.s. this is a msg that send with mail, it look like the saleman add his 'comment' in the middle of the mail so i seperate it with red and green (red = my friend, green = saleman) but i can't be sure that it place correctly

[jk2l]

rofl

1. that pcworld review is unclear about P4 (it is P4 3.0B or P4 3.0C <-- look like a B for me)
2. *cough* y do he use itanium and opteron to judge P4 and athlon xp which one is better

*i want to ask them*
1. win 2000 or win xp is better?
2. he mainly play game (but maybe do encoding and cd/dvd riping) what kind of spec with budget less then $3000 can u guys build
-need speakers
-need dvd writer
-need 160GB
-won't upgrade in the next 2 - 4 years

[Tiggerz]

I suspect you may be being ripped off slightly. I'd get on to a number of websites and price out the bits yourself.

Also, I dont think you can by a win2k cal anymore. I suspect you actually buy a win XP cal which allows you to run an earlier version. So it maybe cheaper to go with win xp home/prof.

[jk2l]

i am not the one who ripped it was my friend, what is that win200 "cal" and win xp "cal"??

[Wibber]

cal's are client access licences, you buy them for when you have servers, each workstation "needs" to have one to access the server

[mird-OC]

that's pretty shocking. i can understand him wanting to offer a little advice (however misguided it may be), but when it comes to sales the customer is always right.

kick him in the balls.

[Tiggerz]

A cal is a license to use a specific piece of software on a single machine.

It used to be related to licensing the number of users to access a server but is now used as a term to mean a license for a product for a single user - since often you may buy one physical copy of the media but 20 licenses to use the s/w.

[jk2l]

o... i see

[Wibber]

That’s an open license, you used to get a similar deal with site licenses, but OL is more accessible and better for small businesses and charity organisations.

BTW: a CAL is a CAL

And if someone at retail store try’s to sell you an OL punch them in the kisser, you have to buy five or more product licenses at once for it to be valid.

See:
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/default.mspx

[Tiggerz]

Wibber, you need to update yourself on the Software Assurance program. The US scheme is not the same as the NZ one. For example if you dont pay up front in the Value program you cannot depreciate the asset. Also, you seem to be referring a CAL as a Seat, which is different.

[jk2l]

rofl, my friend tell the salesman that he want P4 and the salesman refuse to sell P4 and also come with the ridiculous reasons


From: Rob Young <Rob@eib.co.nz> <--- remember this guy
To: *removed*
Subject: *removed*
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:45:31 +1300

Hi ****

Firstly I'm an AMD Gold Certified Reseller. AMD spend lots of money flying their technical people over here to teach us about the new technologies. I truly believe that the AMD Athlon CPU is far superior to Intel's P4 because the chip has been built from 'the ground up'.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20011031/xpvsp4-15.html
http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20011217/index.html Although these articles maybe a little old --> they show us that Intel has made lots of mistakes in the development of the P4 cpu. After running with RAMBUS which was very expensive - intel then sued Rambus, and then they dropped Rambus altogether and went with DDR Ram following in AMD's footsteps.

What i can offer is my technical expertise --> sorry can't do that with intel ie can't support a product i don't believe in.

Cheers!

Rob

[Wibber]

Any chance you'd tell us what store this is from? Pleeease!

Wibber, you need to update yourself on the Software Assurance program. The US scheme is not the same as the NZ one. For example if you dont pay up front in the Value program you cannot depreciate the asset. Also, you seem to be referring a CAL as a Seat, which is different.
Wait you can depreciate something you haven’t paid for in the US? That’s ****ed up...

And yes I am referring to a seat as a CAL, its the new name for (largely) the same shoe, I was more meaning to suggest that CAL's weren’t part of the OL program

And god damn we're anal ;)

[MR_60]

Originally posted by jk2l
rofl, my friend ... a product i don't believe in.

Cheers!

Rob

What a mongol.

I hope your friend went somewhere else; anyone as fanatical as this guy clearly knows nothing about his products...

I mean AMD does offer good value for money, but if you want Peefore then goddamn buy a peefore, they still have better performance in some aspects and run a darn sight cooler too.

[imdying]

I agree MR_60, and not only for those reasons... No matter what problem you encounter with the processor, regardless of brand, the only thing this monkey can do is replace it anyway! It's not like he can crack out the soldering iron and fix it :rolleyes:

[Tiggerz]

Actually he has a valid point in what he is saying. But to the consumer its not really so apparent.

Basically his company specializes in a specific product and platform. Thats where all his expertise is. So, he is quite confident in selling solutions in that area.

However, he has not got the same level of expertise in the other product area and is not confident in selling for that platform. So doesnt want to.

The reasons he gave are rubbish tho. I'm both an Intel and AMD reseller but I specialise in Intel. I will sell AMD products if asked, but I do not have the capability and resources and knowledge to provide the solution that is as good as what I could do with Intel.

I believe the products put out by both companys on a technical basis are equally as good as each other.

However, for me, the support put out by AMD in both marketing, product knowledge and future roadmaps and commitment is sorely lacking. Its that that I rely on when providing the product to the customer. In otherwords, you are not just buying the product, but also the commitment from the company that made it to look after you.

But then I work in the corporate and business market where that is important. Its not so in the consumer market, so his view would be just as valid as mine.

Personally, he should have stated that he is an AMD Gold Partner and his solutions were based on that. He should have left it at that.

Making claims against another company is considered very bad form and damages your own reputation in the long run.

His mistake was that he made those claims, then admitted he didnt really know much in that area, which leads the consumer to think that he may not know much in his area as well. Which he probably does, but the doubt has already been raised.


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Yep, its a sad day when you not only read the licensing agreements, but realise you actually understand them :)

[mattnz]

I have to be honest with you man - and this isn't meant to be a insult or anything, it's just the way it is.

You are only looking to spend about three grand, without GST its only about $2500. End user PC's are a low margin high volume business, if your purchase represents $250 worth of margin to this guy I would be surprised.

When you are looking at this small amount of money you are either going to get a good resorce who will spend no time on you (because he is expensive and a sale like this won't pay off) or a bad resource who can afford to spend time on you because he is cheap.

In this case it looks like you got the dummy who can afford to spend time making a sale this small.

It's just the way it is, people always want cheap stuff, there is bugger all margin left so the only way they can cut costs is to get in cheaper service resource - and that's exactly what you have hit, a cheap sales resource

[Wibber]

Personally, he should have stated that he is an AMD Gold Partner and his solutions were based on that. He should have left it at that.
I really doubt this guy is in AMD's partner program....

[jk2l]

i tried to ask him where the hell is that store, but he says he don't know (his parent choose that), now he is buying from the other stores