when will the new athlon be out in NZ?

[phaez]

i'm thinking of getting an athlon xp2100+.. should i wait for the t bred? is it very far off for NZ?:)

[mird-OC]

*shrug* who knows? OEMs will apparently have them soon, but they probably won't be showing up in NZ for at least another 6 weeks. maybe longer :(

[Volodkovich]

uhh, i would definately wait eh? i spose it depends wat u have now, and how much u need a new pc. T-breds will only be a few months...

[Volodkovich]

damn it mird :) gotta be fast in here eh?

[_N_]

AMD XP2100 CPU cost 490+GST

so I would say that it's not worth investing such a big amount of money into a CPU which will get outdate sooner than the tbred

:o I need sleep,

[Humantuckshop]

The shipping dates I heard for the Thoroughbred have passed - this chip is MIA*. Not sure when it will appear on the market....



*Missing In Action.

[Humantuckshop]

Although there are so many dodgy rumours going around about the TBred - one was that it was going to appear in notebooks first and then be made available for Desktop systems. What a waste. :eek:

[Geek4Life]

I want a thoroughbred, but at the moment the XP1800+ is my chip of choice.

[mird-OC]

it would seem that by the time the tbred actually turns up, the barton will be released. there's an amusing running commentary on overclockers.com about this scenario...

[Binky Stunt Cat]

Originally posted by Geek4Life
I want a thoroughbred, but at the moment the XP1800+ is my chip of choice.
That would be after my surprise moment of clarity and logic yes?
But basicly, the Tbred will be an OCers chip since it has a smaller die, hence lower temps, hence higher clocks....

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

Either way (old Palamino or new Thoroughbred) I would hold off until the Thoroughbreds are released. That way if you decide to go for a Palamino they'll be even cheaper.

[phaez]

i'll just give it a little time i suppose.

[Deviant]

I recon they will be here in about 3-4 weeks. I think they are being released in the States in a weeks time, and it took the Palaminos about 2 or 3 weeks to get here.

[Binky Stunt Cat]

rather convineint then, i'll just hold offf buying my Palimino till then...:D

[KingJackal]

I never see the sense in buying the top-speed chip at any point in time.

For instance, consider these prices ( all INC GST, from ChCh ):

XP2100+ $673
XP2000+ $520
XP1900+ $422
XP1800+ $315
XP1700+ $300
XP1600+ $284

Now look at that. Down the bottom you're paying $20 per 100MHz ( not per 100PR ;) ), while at the top you're paying almost double that at $39 per 100MHz!!! :eek:

The reasons and evidence most of us reckon the XP1800+ is the best deal ( just backing ya up, Binky ;) ) can be seen here:

[mird-OC]

umm, KJ, you graph labels need attention, yes?

anyway, according to The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/19050202.htm) (and if it's in The Inquirer it must be true), tbred launch is slated at June 10th, but they won't actually show up for sale until the second week of July... so maybe we'll see em the end of July.

some more interesting tidbits on tbred XPs versus tbred MPs here (http://www.overclockers.com/tips1000/). MPs @ 333 FSB and unlocked? maybe.

[Binky Stunt Cat]

on another note, XP prices have dropped in the US.
So hopefully we'll be seeing 1800's at about 270-280 soon

[Deviant]

Yeah good price drops. An I can back mird-oc said, 333 MHz FSB and unlocked for Athlon MP's, but of course they will be $100-150 more than the XP's so it's probably not worth it. FSB overclocing only.

You can still unlock the bridges, but its harder because you have to unlock the normal 5, unlock an extra 2, and then void your warrenty by breaking 2 bridges!! This is cause the way BIOS's read the bridges when they go over a 12.5x multiplier, although mobos may have changes to their bioses if the manufacturers are good to us.

[Solid Snake]

Look at the purty graph graphics!

[swiftynz]

Originally posted by Binky Stunt Cat
rather convineint then, i'll just hold offf buying my Palimino till then...:D
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i NEED that mobo and cpu asap binky... dont want to be building 2 comps in the middle of exams and i need your m/b b4 i can start :(. any chance you could get the ram and board b4 the cpu? although i still cant send off the computer until i have your cpu....

DOH!

[Joshsti_NZ]

Will an XP 2100+ fit in a Slot One mobo? ROFLMAO jk!

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Joshsti_NZ
Will an XP 2100+ fit in a Slot One mobo? ROFLMAO jk!

Yes of course it will, you will have to remove or bend about 100 pins, then jam it in nice and good. Don't know how good it would run though.:D

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by mird-OC
umm, KJ, you graph labels need attention, yes?

:o :o

But anyways.... :D

TBred looks good. May be worth the upgrade over my 1.4ish Tbird. It's about time AMD had some big price drops - Intel have actually been GAINING market share recently :eek:.

[Viper_NZ]

That's not good for any of us.....

A Tbred will be a great upgrade as soon as they hit the sweet swap price. Probably the next upgrade for my box after another hard drive.

[Gh0s7 L3mUr]

mmm... if prices get too sweet I might have to get an 1800+ in amongst my upgrades. :p

side note: How are these Hammers comming? Any release dates etc?

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Gh0s7 L3mUr
side note: How are these Hammers comming? Any release dates etc? [/B]
nothing firm yet, but expect something around October time...

[Deviant]

Originally posted by mird-OC

nothing firm yet, but expect something around October time...

I'd like to think October, but they always seem to come out late. I recon late November early, probable mid December.

[phaez]

when this "hammer" comes out it will be very expensive.. yes?

[Elle T]

Expencive yes, worth it yes

Also most KT266/333 Asus & Abit boards released in the last year
can run a Tbred chip without pin removal. :)

Intel has released newer faster Celerons because they know as soon as the new AMD chips come in they'll lose another 10% of the market :)

[Humantuckshop]

Originally posted by Elle T
worth it yes




Well, we will have to wait and see about that.


*And the waiting commences*

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Elle T
Intel has released newer faster Celerons because they know as soon as the new AMD chips come in they'll lose another 10% of the market :)

Though I hate to say it, that just couldn't happen.

AMD only have less than 20% market share, so for them to gain 10% would require an instant 50% increase in their production capability. Which, unfortunately, just ain't gonna happen.

But yes, I'm hoping like mad my Abit will be ok for a TBred upgrade.... :D

[Elle T]

No Duron soon so the Celeron will have to compete with Althon XPs - much better proformance for the price.

KJ do a search about 3 weeks back the lists were posted on some news sites.

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Elle T
No Duron soon so the Celeron will have to compete with Althon XPs - much better proformance for the price.

KJ do a search about 3 weeks back the lists were posted on some news sites.

Trust me, I've read AMD's roadmaps a hundred times bro. Duron -> Athlon and Athlon -> 64bit Hammer, yeah - we know already. But AMD gaining 10% market share with one processor? NOT going to happen any time soon.

If it ever were to happen, it would have been the TBird 1GHz. For the first ( and only so far ) time they had it all.

The highest clock speed.
The highest performance.
They'd broken the magical GHz barrier.
NOT the highest price.

....but did that work? Nope. Do you honestly think Intel don't have something up their sleeves as well? Chipzilla themselves - heh, they've been working on their x86 compatible 64bit processor since they found out about AMD's.

[Deviant]

Originally posted by KingJackal


If it ever were to happen, it would have been the TBird 1GHz. For the first ( and only so far ) time they had it all.

The highest clock speed.
The highest performance.
They'd broken the magical GHz barrier. <=(well not this one)
NOT the highest price.



There was a time for about 3 weeks where AMD had a K62-300 MHz, I had one at the time, and all Intel had was Pentium 200 MMX and was slower than the K62. So not the only time.

Of course it was short lived when the PII 233 MHz was released with a stronger FPU.

Then there was the recall of the PIII 1133 MHz CPU's before the P4's, and the Athlon T-Bird was at 1.2 GHz.

[Deviant]

And about pricing, I recon the mobos will be cheaper than todays ones as the wont need an on board memory controller (Nothbridge). My guess is the Hammers will be the same sort of pricing the Athlon XP's were a day or two ago. AMD have always tried to give good value for money, and I cant see that changing much unless they overtake Intel in market share by a long way, and that wont be in the next 10 years.

As for Fab space, AMD is going to produce all the Hammers out of Dresden, which is still not at full capacity, and could do about 20% of the market in a years time. And the XP's will be outsourced and made at UMC Fab in Taiwan, and I'm sure they will ramp up to produce alot of more profitable CPU's if required. Don't know how much Fab space they have, maybe up to 20% as well.

[Wibber]

umc = lots big fabs...makes lots **** for lots people

[Mr ABIT]

amd will take the budget chips market... they've just had another round of price cuts... crazy : dunno if these prices have been affected or not but xp1800 retail 267.75$ cele 1.8 294.75$.. and i have no doubt the xp will cain the cele...:D :cool: (prices frm starlyte)

[Humantuckshop]

Here is an AMD roadmap for you to peruse:

[Humantuckshop]

And here is a diagram of the Hammer's architecture:

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Humantuckshop
Here is an AMD roadmap for you to peruse:

What are those pic for Humantuckshop?

Notice how the T-Bred is in covers the whole 1 half of 02, and the Hammer covers 2nd half 02 and 1st half 03. That way AMD could bring out Hammer next year and say they are not late. I wish these diagrams were more accurate than that.

[Wibber]

well the low XP prices could imply a stock flush, then bang, your tbreds get to the market real quick, as they could shipping to 1st tier oems allready, or real soon..I'm getting smegged off with all this waiting

[Elle T]

Not the Roadmaps, the Listing for Tbred Compatible motherboards from Abit.

[Humantuckshop]

Originally posted by Deviant


What are those pic for Humantuckshop?

Notice how the T-Bred is in covers the whole 1 half of 02, and the Hammer covers 2nd half 02 and 1st half 03. That way AMD could bring out Hammer next year and say they are not late. I wish these diagrams were more accurate than that.



Sorry mate - I don't work at AMD aye - if you want a newer/better roadmap look for one on google: www.google.co.nz
Maybe there's a newer one around now.........

And the other one is the Hammer's architecture - the pics themselves are for looking at. :p

[Humantuckshop]

Originally posted by Elle T
Not the Roadmaps, the Listing for Tbred Compatible motherboards from Abit.



When the Tbred release date gets even closer you'll find out for sure, but I imagine all KT266A based boards and the KT333 definitely.

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Humantuckshop




When the Tbred release date gets even closer you'll find out for sure, but I imagine all KT266A based boards and the KT333 definitely.

I thought this was pretty much sorted. From my recollection, some/most KT133a will work (this is the grey area), and all KT266 and higher will work. KT133 won't.

Don't know about nForce or SIS.

[Humantuckshop]

Here is a supposed table of the Thoroughbred's performance against your standard XP (1700+ and 1800+) - taken from a Italian site, all I can say about this table is, well I hope the table is a fake. Because if it ain't - then damn the Thoroughbred sucks!

[Geek4Life]

Originally posted by Humantuckshop
Here is a supposed table of the Thoroughbred's performance against your standard XP (1700+ and 1800+) - taken from a Italian site, all I can say about this table is, well I hope the table is a fake. Because if it ain't - then damn the Thoroughbred sucks!
Yeah but that is done at stock speed. The whole point of the Thoroughbred is that it will be 0.13micron which means it should be cooler and overclock more. Like what happened with the Northwood P4's. ;)

[Humantuckshop]

Pfft - I expect the Thoroughbred to do more work per MHz than the original XP, if it doesn't, then why all the hype?

Not that I really care, I was never intending to buy one anyway. :p

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Humantuckshop
Pfft - I expect the Thoroughbred to do more work per MHz than the original XP, if it doesn't, then why all the hype?

Not that I really care, I was never intending to buy one anyway. :p

The T-Bred is virtually identical to the Palamino, apart from the die shrink. Why all the hype? well theres not in the real world, just in the overclocking world for reasons already stated. The real hyp will come whan Hammer is near.

[Mr ABIT]

hmm ok what u mean the t-bred sucks, same core, less heat, smaller allowing for higher speeds ... :(

[Mr ABIT]

a magical performance increase of 50% just isnt gonna happen, get used to it

[Humantuckshop]

What I meant was: I am disappointed that the TBred won't do more work per clock cycle. Which is actually what I expected, especially if the wait for the chip is as long as it has been - I had already explained this in a previous post, so please learn to read properly........

Also what is with 2 posts in a row with only one line in each of them?
:rolleyes:

edit: Who said they expected an increase in performance of 50% ?

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Humantuckshop
What I meant was: I am disappointed that the TBred won't do more work per clock cycle. Which is actually what I expected, especially if the wait for the chip is as long as it has been.

It will do a little bit more, I said virtually identical, but from the benchmarks, it was very small, like 0.5-1% no not really worth a mention.

[Humantuckshop]

Originally posted by Deviant

but from the benchmarks, it was very small, like 0.5-1% no not really worth a mention.


Exactly, but that 0.5% - 1% would be inside the margin of error wouldn't it?

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Humantuckshop



Exactly, but that 0.5% - 1% would be inside the margin of error wouldn't it?

I don't think so, I've lost the link, but I think it was one of the tings they were testing for. They used different benchmarks, including 3dmark, and the same machine, same everything and just changes the CPU.

I'll look for the link.

[Deviant]

This link says it's got some enhancements:
http://www.theinquirer.net/28040205.htm

This like has some Palimino/Thoroughbred comparison benchmarks:
http://www.oc.com.tw/article/0204/readgoodarticle.asp?id=691

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Humantuckshop



Exactly, but that 0.5% - 1% would be inside the margin of error wouldn't it?

FFS!! If an Athlon XP 1700+ didn't perform the same as another Athlon XP 1700+, AMD would be CRUCIFIED.

...so of course the 1700+ will be similar to the 1700+ and so forth...

....and besides, who said this round of chips will be staying @ 133MHz fsb? ;) :eek: :cool:

[Deviant]

Originally posted by KingJackal

....and besides, who said this round of chips will be staying @ 133MHz fsb? ;) :eek: :cool:

AMD said themselves, they also said the MP will have a 166MHz FSB and be unlocked. I guess we will find out soon.

ps, don't make me look up another link please.

[Humantuckshop]

LOL - no, I won't make you look up another link, thanks for the ones you posted, cleared a few things up, probably would have cleared a few more things up if it was in English. :D

So a slight performance increase with the TBred clock for clock then.

[Artifice]

i hear the new chips will be here in a couple of weeks.

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Deviant
AMD said themselves, they also said the MP will have a 166MHz FSB and be unlocked. I guess we will find out soon.

ps, don't make me look up another link please.

*does some reading*

tru dat.

Thoroughbred even has the same transistor count, so it really is EXACTLY the same processor on a smaller process ( so it will be cooler, OC more, and be cheaper :) ). Looks like the 166MHz fsb won't reach us desktop plebs until Barton or maybe Hammer...
*sighs*

[mird-OC]

Originally posted by Artifice
i hear the new chips will be here in a couple of weeks.
i've been hearing that for the last couple of months :p

but yeah, fingers crossed :)

[Deviant]

There's a few sights starting to advertise T-Breds.
This one shows a 2GHz XP2500+
http://www.computerbroker.ch/innowaytor/shop/get_ArtDetail.cfm?sart_artnr=266.28

woof woof

I want one. I now recon they will overclock to at about 2.3-2.4 GHz, maybe more like that 2.7GHz post we saw.

[Volodkovich]

hmmm, u think the tbreds will stil be able to be unlocked? i hope amd keep it going, especially for the 0.09 micron processors in the future...

[mird-OC]

yes we'll be able to unlock them, but the'lly most likely share the same issues as the high-end palominos, so they'd be not quite as easy as most people will be used to...

no real biggy to get around tho.

[Volodkovich]

score, thats good then...was this about 2 extra bridges u hafta connect???

[[LvN]N3misiS]

OMG www.overclockers.com win the award for ugliest and most unuser-freindly site layout ever

[SilverPriest]

And what a first post.
Try not making random comments in threads that have nothing to do with your random comment. :rolleyes:
And i think it's actually quite good.

[[LvN]N3misiS]

sorry that was just a little rant ... this is my first post on the new board ... i had a few on the old one ... anyway back to the topic ...

[Deviant]

Romours that the Hammer could be here as early as August:

http://www.tomshardware.com/technews/index.html

I know, I know, Tom Sucks.

[Stove]

According to PCWorld (.co.nz) AMD say June 10th for the thoroughbred, and there'll be an Athlon 2200+ (running 1.8GHz) as an initial release. Nice

[KingJackal]

Originally posted by Stove
According to PCWorld (.co.nz) AMD say June 10th for the thoroughbred, and there'll be an Athlon 2200+ (running 1.8GHz) as an initial release. Nice

Yeah - A lot of sources are saying June 10 ( Monday ). Though that'll be June 10 in the states, so don't expect them here then :(

Quite a few stores are already advertising the XP2200+ and XP2500+ processors. :)

It's quite nice to think that they're that close to plugging into my mobo. Might have to buy one as a celebration after exams. Ahhh stuff it, I'll probably buy one anyway... :D

[Wibber]

YAY!YAY!YAY!YAY!YAY!YAY!YAY!YAY!YAY!